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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2020, 02:56:04 PM »
Speaking of the Scots in America, I recently purchased a print of Don Troiani's The Battle of Kings Mountain. For those who have not seen it, in the foreground are some of the Over the Mountain Men with their longrifles putting an end to Patrick Ferguson. Typical Scots killing Scots situation.

It's a great painting with lots of action and still available, even though Don has officially retired, on the secondary market.
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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2020, 05:15:29 PM »
That’s what I love about this site...come for the guns, stay for the history lessons!  Bob, thanks to your question I’m getting quite the education!

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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2020, 05:36:06 PM »
Bob, to clarify what I said earlier, NC has three distinct regions.  The coastal plain, the Piedmont, and the mountains.  Each seemed to have its own gun culture.  Imported smoothbores where it was economical to get English guns on the coast.  The widespread gunmaking culture and schools of the Piedmont, and the more varied and sporadic mountain gun making in the Appalachians. 

When you said someone arrived at the coast, and followed the Cape Fear up to the Cross Creek area, that was a coastal plain trip.  Cross Creek (Fayetteville) is in the sandhill bordering the Piedmont and was settled by Highland Scots.  I don't know of a great gunmaking culture in the early days in that area, so I always figured it was economical to move imported guns from Wilmington and Brunswick town up to Cross Creek.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong on this.  The Cape Fear was navigable for some of that distance for sure.   I am guessing some folks brought their guns with them from Scotland. 

WESTbury, in your painting, keep in mind that there were wealthier Highland Scots settled in NC, but the Scots in the mountains were generally the dirt poor, industrious, and fiercely independent Scots-Irish.  I don't think these Scots-Irish had any problem at all with shooting an arrogant wealthy Scot who said really nasty things about what he was going to do to them. 

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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2020, 03:18:01 AM »
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WESTbury, in your painting, keep in mind that there were wealthier Highland Scots settled in NC, but the Scots in the mountains were generally the dirt poor, industrious, and fiercely independent Scots-Irish.  I don't think these Scots-Irish had any problem at all with shooting an arrogant wealthy Scot who said really nasty things about what he was going to do to them. 

Amen, those over mountain men were not ones to be threatened!
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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2020, 04:50:35 AM »
WESTbury, in your painting, keep in mind that there were wealthier Highland Scots settled in NC, but the Scots in the mountains were generally the dirt poor, industrious, and fiercely independent Scots-Irish.  I don't think these Scots-Irish had any problem at all with shooting an arrogant wealthy Scot who said really nasty things about what he was going to do to them. 

God Bless,   Marc

Marc---I'm certainly proud that my McIntire ancestors in the hills of Harrison County Va (now W. Va) qualified for the title of "fiercely independent Scots-Irish". Born Fighting as per the title of Jim Webb's book.
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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2020, 12:45:33 PM »
If he came from across the pond, would he be carrying a gun made across the pond?

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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2020, 02:44:38 AM »
In response to Dennis Glazener's earlier post regarding Cory Joe Stewarts thesis "The Affairs of Boston in the North Carolina Backcountry during the American Revolution" a great read. I am only on page 47 as I am old with only a high school education a doctoral thesis takes me awhile. Anyone interested in our history just prior and during the revolution should read this. I really appreciate that is covers the area my family settled in during those times.
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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2020, 03:46:24 AM »
In response to Dennis Glazener's earlier post regarding Cory Joe Stewarts thesis "The Affairs of Boston in the North Carolina Backcountry during the American Revolution" a great read. I am only on page 47 as I am old with only a high school education a doctoral thesis takes me awhile. Anyone interested in our history just prior and during the revolution should read this. I really appreciate that is covers the area my family settled in during those times.

I agree with your thoughts on the paper.  I'm currently living in the region now, but grew up in other parts of the state, so I'm always looking for new info. 

A good way to read academic History papers is to read the introduction, the first paragraph of each section, the first sentence of the following paragraphs and the conclusion.  A lot of student thesis papers are roughly written, but they typically follow a formula.  If something seems interesting or challenges your current views, read further.  That is how most people get through grad school. 

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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2020, 02:26:34 PM »
You might check out The Museum of the Cape Fear.

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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2020, 10:30:31 PM »
In response to Dennis Glazener's earlier post regarding Cory Joe Stewarts thesis "The Affairs of Boston in the North Carolina Backcountry during the American Revolution" a great read. I am only on page 47 as I am old with only a high school education a doctoral thesis takes me awhile. Anyone interested in our history just prior and during the revolution should read this. I really appreciate that is covers the area my family settled in during those times.

I agree with your thoughts on the paper.  I'm currently living in the region now, but grew up in other parts of the state, so I'm always looking for new info. 

A good way to read academic History papers is to read the introduction, the first paragraph of each section, the first sentence of the following paragraphs and the conclusion.  A lot of student thesis papers are roughly written, but they typically follow a formula.  If something seems interesting or challenges your current views, read further.  That is how most people get through grad school.

Indeed, that is a "speed reading" technique actually encouraged at times in graduate programs because there is little other way to get through the amount of reading required while also conducting your own research. Many historical monographs are incredibly repetitive and the main arguments and key points are covered in the introduction and conclusion of the books and often the chapters are fairly well summarized at the beginning and end as well. Sometimes the entire middle section of a book is basically the historian repeating the same argument over and over again while providing lots of examples to reinforce their theory. Other books are more narrative and are easier to read cover to cover. Not all great historical researchers are great writers. It takes a special kind of scholar to both do new and interesting research and also write a book that is highly enjoyable to read.
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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2020, 01:41:00 AM »
Nope! Did it the old fashioned way. Downloaded it and read it from beginning to end.
Really enjoyed the "trip through time".
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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2020, 04:42:00 AM »
Are we still talking about guns? I think that was the original question.
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Re: Highlander arriving with Gold in his Poke - 1746 - Which Gun?
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2020, 08:29:36 PM »
I am certainly no expert on guns from NC but one thing probably worth noting in what you're looking to portray here is that many of the Scots that ended up on these shores in 1746 were sentenced to transportation after the '45 uprising. Many of them were giving the choice of indentured servitude or military service. In the case of the latter, I would assume they'd have been issued a king's arm.

Also worth noting, if they were a highlander it was unlikely they would have come with any arms, transportation or no. The Dress Act of 1747 effectively outlawed highland dress and the carrying of arms by highlanders unless in service of the king.

Long story short I'd say that the manner of arrival would probably play a large role in what arm your character would be carrying.
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