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Offline JamesT

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Vent liner install
« on: September 10, 2020, 02:38:01 AM »
Currently installing a 5\16"-32 Chambers vent liner in a .54 cal 1 1\8" breach barrel. I had a total brain glitch. I referenced my tap and die set for the drill size which called for a 9\32"(.2812). The liner calls out a letter "I"(.2720). I have drilled the hole but havnt cut threads yet. Is this a safety issue and if so what are my options?

Offline rich pierce

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Re: Vent liner install
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2020, 02:53:31 AM »
Yer good.
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Offline DGB

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Re: Vent liner install
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2020, 02:54:37 AM »
I would use that same drill you used and drill and tap a piece of scrap to see how lose it is.
You should have enough barrel size to go to the 3/8 White Lightning so you sleep better at night.

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Offline P.Bigham

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Re: Vent liner install
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2020, 03:04:15 AM »
Good idea Dave.  If I did the math correctly your only talking of a difference of 5 hair widths to give a visual. 
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Offline Scota4570

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Re: Vent liner install
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2020, 03:34:00 AM »
https://www.efunda.com/designstandards/screws/unified.cfm?start=64&finish=147

The major and minor diameters of 5/16 x 32 TPI NS  are 0.312" and 0.275".  To get a full thread you need to start with a 0.275" hole.  The threads are 0.018" deep per side.  IF you drilled oversized with a 0.281 drill you get a hole 0.281 or a bit larger.  281 -275 = .006".  divide 2 and you get 0.003".  3 / 18 = 16% less than a full thread.   

Keep in mind drills love to cut oversized.  Unless you made a pilot hole your  final hole will be larger than the drill bit.  If it did you have sacrificed more engagement than what I calculated. 

I do not know how much effect 16% has on the ability of the liner to resist blowing out.  I make my liners and breech plugs with an interference thread fit.  I am paranoid and obsessive about safety matters.   It was also declared good enough by another here with more experience than I have.  I have no opinion other than if it were mine I'd install a 3/8" liner. That is based on my practice on doing all safety related operations to the best of my ability every time. 

Perhaps measure the hole and see what you have?     

Offline JamesT

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Re: Vent liner install
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2020, 12:52:05 PM »
Thank you all for your advice!

Offline 577SXS

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Re: Vent liner install
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2020, 03:33:33 PM »
Why take a chance, go with a 3/8" liner.

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Re: Vent liner install
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2020, 05:20:54 PM »
My tap chart shows 9/32 just like yours for a 5/16-32.  It shows letter I for 5/16-24.
I’ve always used letter I but the chart shows 9/32 for 75% thread.
I’d use it.
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Vent liner install
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2020, 06:35:46 PM »
My tap chart shows 9/32 just like yours for a 5/16-32.  It shows letter I for 5/16-24.
I’ve always used letter I but the chart shows 9/32 for 75% thread.
I’d use it.

I would also use the "I" size drill and then carefully countersink the hole the depth of one thread.
A few drops of oil or tapmatic if you have any.I also start this kind of drilling with a center drill so
wandering by the point of the drill is elemenated.
Bob Roller

Offline J. Talbert

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Re: Vent liner install
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2020, 02:46:29 AM »
Not trying to pile on, but this is one of the reasons I routinely use the 1/4 “ vent liners.  They work quite satisfactorily  and they preserve the option to go bigger in the future if needed.
Jeff
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Re: Vent liner install
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2020, 02:02:08 PM »
If tap drill chart shows 9/32 tap drill size then don't worry about it. I thought about this and we forget that this is a 5/16-32 thread, 32 TPI would require a slightly larger hole than 28 TPI. When you screw the liner in if it tightens up and doesn't strip you're good. Anyway I think you are fine and you should use some locktight on it anyway.