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Offline One Shot

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Antique leather shot flask?
« on: October 04, 2020, 11:27:22 AM »
I just picked up this leather shot flask from an online auction.

It is stamped Josh Bourne & Son on one side of the flask. The measure is marked in OZ 1 and 1 1/4. The flask is 6 1/4" x 2 7/8" x 1 3/16. With spout/measure overall length is 8 3/8" plus ring and tab.

I tried to search for Josh Bourne & Son but came up with nothing. Is this an antique or is it a 20th century product?

Thank you.


Offline JBJ

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2020, 02:45:56 PM »
The real deal! Lovely workmanship!
J.B.

Offline Pukka Bundook

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2020, 05:11:31 PM »
It's a nice old one. V nicely put together.

One thing to look for if unsure of age, is the way the shot weight is marked.
Diagonal /slanted fraction marks are Usually newer than the horizontal  division.

 

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2020, 08:03:49 PM »
The line is _ horizontal not slanted.

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2020, 08:08:25 PM »
I'll bet is actually Joseph Bourne Birmingham Late 19th century


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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2020, 09:20:09 PM »
I'll bet is actually Joseph Bourne Birmingham Late 19th century

I saw that earlier. The stamp in the leather is quit different.

Is it possible one is either the son or elder of the other?

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2020, 10:58:54 PM »
The condition for this flask is quite good and has not done much work there fore I would say it has come from a  cased Joseph  Bourne  shotgun . It would have been made by Dixon or Hawksley and and stamped  Joseph Bourne along with other components in the case .
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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2020, 11:52:03 PM »
Feltwad, it is stamped Josh Bourne not Joseph Bourne. Not sure if there is a relationship or not between the two.

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2020, 01:25:05 AM »
I have a number of these and I concur with Feltwad.
Mark

Offline Panzerschwein

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2020, 03:20:45 AM »
Love that tite leather....

Offline One Shot

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2020, 06:07:45 AM »
The condition for this flask is quite good and has not done much work there fore I would say it has come from a  cased Joseph  Bourne  shotgun . It would have been made by Dixon or Hawksley and and stamped  Joseph Bourne along with other components in the case .
Feltwad

What you say seems to have some logical merit....

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2020, 08:26:27 AM »
I would think "Josh" is really just an abbreviated form of "Joseph" without the normal apostrophe. If written correctly it would be Jos'h, but the maker simpified it to Josh.
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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2020, 12:12:22 PM »
Feltwad, it is stamped Josh Bourne not Joseph Bourne. Not sure if there is a relationship or not between the two.
You will find that it was common practice on British gunmakers first name to be abbreviated on accessors and more so  gun locks  , I have restored many shotguns and others with this type of naming. It also happens on powder flasks from cased sets  and later on in the pinfire and early breech loader accessors in makers cases  such  has turn screws , loading tools  and cleaning rods etc were named after the gunmaker. Hope this has been some help
Feltwad



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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2020, 09:21:33 PM »
A Very nice flask, One Shot.
That is a wonderful collection, Feltwad.
Daryl

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2020, 01:15:24 AM »
Your flask is in excellent condition and appears to be useable. I recently completed a quest to find vintage shot and powder flasks that I can use with each of my muzzleloaders.  These are wonderful accessories.  Glad you posted this.

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2020, 03:01:17 AM »
Thank y'all for the comments and information. Y'all are a great knowledgeable bunch. I feel honored to be amongst y'all.

Feltwad, very impressive collection. One to be proud of Sir.

A fire and divorce diminished the very few that I had collected and inherited.

Offline Dutch Blacky

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2021, 12:59:14 PM »
Thatīs a great collection, Feltwad.


Iīd like to go on with this thead:

I got two shot flasks, one of them ist rather similar to the shot flask in your upper foto, Feltwad. I am rather sure, that it might be an antique original made by Dixon and sons (see pic, right side)

I identified the other one (left) as a new one. I saw it in the Dixie Gunworks catalogue. The decoration is similar to the Remington powder flask








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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2021, 06:31:04 PM »
Thatīs a great collection, Feltwad.


Iīd like to go on with this thead:

I got two shot flasks, one of them ist rather similar to the shot flask in your upper foto, Feltwad. I am rather sure, that it might be an antique original made by Dixon and sons (see pic, right side)

I identified the other one (left) as a new one. I saw it in the Dixie Gunworks catalogue. The decoration is similar to the Remington powder flask


Dutch Blacky,   The one on the right has the spring in backward... see Riling's # 1466 and 1467. I have the 1466 pouch with the 1467 spout ( like yours ) and have used to for hunting since 1958 .  Note that my leather pouch however does NOT  have the Dixon name at the bottom. Yours might be a re-make, but I sure can't tell for certain

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2021, 06:50:44 PM »
Thanks @OLUT

It seems, that the spring of the flask at the right side was replaced.

It is always a big problem to decide, if an object ist antique or not.

Furthermore Dixon and Sons made powder flasks in the 1960s.


I think that another big problem are very good re-makes from India. One indication for a re-make might be the material and form of the screws.

But I do not know for sure, if one of my shot flasks ist an old/antique one! The leather seems too good to me.

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2021, 07:51:19 PM »



Dutch Blacky,   The one on the right has the spring in backward... see Riling's # 1466 and 1467. I have the 1466 pouch with the 1467 spout ( like yours ) and have used to for hunting since 1958 .  Note that my leather pouch however does NOT  have the Dixon name at the bottom. Yours might be a re-make, but I sure can't tell for certain

Thank you again OLUT for your critical comment.

That is because I like this forum. CRITICAL COMMENTS !
I just started collecting powder flasks 1 year ago, and I know to know nothing.


In most ebay actions seller write that their object is antique or old, even if they know, that it is a re-make.


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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2021, 01:39:05 PM »
You are absolutely right OLUT

Both shot flasks are "new", made in India  >:(  :'(
(http://weaponedge.com/Gun-Powder-Flask.php) WEG-6013 and WEG-6014
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Offline Pukka Bundook

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Re: Antique leather shot flask?
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2021, 02:36:18 AM »
Dutch,

Because the same flasks are still offered doesn't mean the ones you show Have to be new. The same designs were used forever it seems, so we can see antique, And reproduction, with the same ornamentation.

Its a sticky subject.