Author Topic: Full stock flint Hawken style pistol (Read 3500 times)

elk killer · « **on:** October 18, 2020, 04:13:14 PM »

Starting a build of one of these. Searching the web didnt turn up any pics, anyone have pics of one?

RAT · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2020, 12:21:27 AM »

Never seen a flint J & S Hawken... rifle or pistol. Never seen a full stock Hawken pistol. So anything you do will be speculation. I suggest a half stock flint pistol. There are plenty of photos of flint half stock English style dueling pistols. They were very popular in America. In the book "Firearms of the American West" there are 3 examples by Philip Creamer... another St Louis maker that came from Maryland. There are several books on Maryland makers that have photos of half stock flint pistols.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2020, 06:02:46 PM »

Quote from: RAT on October 22, 2020, 12:21:27 AM

Never seen a flint J & S Hawken... rifle or pistol. Never seen a full stock Hawken pistol. So anything you do will be speculation. I suggest a half stock flint pistol. There are plenty of photos of flint half stock English style dueling pistols. They were very popular in America. In the book "Firearms of the American West" there are 3 examples by Philip Creamer... another St Louis maker that came from Maryland. There are several books on Maryland makers that have photos of half stock flint pistols.

There is or was a fullstock rifle in the Smithsonian Institute that was supposedly identified as a flintlock
Hawken rifle but whether or not that was ever completely established as FACT I don't know.
The rifles that were and are being offered as flintlock Hawkens are as you said,a speculation and there
are some good looking fullstocks with Hawken butt plates and trigger guard seen frequently.
I made a number of Ketland locks for these for a long time and used the last one on a personal project
in 2008. English half stock flintlock rifles are a favorite of mine and I had a brief experience with one owned by
the late Tom Dawson.It was a Manton and if there was any lag in ignition I could not here it .

Bob Roller

Metalshaper · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2020, 06:10:42 PM »

The "Kennet" Hawken, at the School of the Ozarks is a full stock Hawken rifle.
Pretty sure it is a cap lock, but full stock none the less.

Respect Always
Metalshaper/Jonathan

rich pierce · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2020, 07:09:37 PM »

But the Kennet Hawken isn’t a pistol!

Just joking: when I make a fullstock Hawken pistol, I use a Tennessee style cheekpiece.

Daryl · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2020, 08:48:07 PM »

flinchrocket · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2020, 08:50:55 PM »

I need a picture of that.

borderdogs · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2020, 01:30:42 AM »

Brant Selb made a couple of Hawken pistols that are full stock on a flint and one a percussion

https://www.hawkenrifles.com/pistols.shtml

Rob

rich pierce · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2020, 02:07:54 AM »

Quote from: borderdogs on October 24, 2020, 01:30:42 AM

Brant Selb made a couple of Hawken pistols that are full stock on a flint and one a percussion

https://www.hawkenrifles.com/pistols.shtml

Rob

Nice!

Daryl · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2020, 02:11:02 AM »

That bag-butt is so nice in the hand.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2020, 05:58:32 PM »

Good looking pair of pistols and my locks too.
I would think that a full stock pistol could be
a booger to make because with a half stock
the barrel forward of the stock is a handle.
Bob Roller

flinchrocket · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2020, 07:12:22 PM »

You can do the same with square wood from the entry thimble to the muzzle.

smallpatch · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2020, 04:41:49 AM »

Not a flinter, a simple, very functional, and has won several first places . Green Mt barrel, set trigger. Maple stock

elk killer · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2020, 11:40:40 AM »

Getting closer, thats more what im seeking, thanks for all replys

gunmaker · « **Reply #14 on:** October 26, 2020, 03:10:13 AM »

I'm not an expert on anything. However I love to read and I have a book that shows many English half & full stock rifles that if you put a crescent BP & single tgr on them they would look like "Hawken" clones...
So maybe study English dueling pistols a bunch.
I have heard that in 18th-19th centuries a "Target" pistol was unheard of....

old dog...

Cory Joe Stewart · « **Reply #15 on:** October 26, 2020, 03:17:27 PM »

Try a google search on fur trade pistols. I did that receny and ran across some examples of what you might be looking for.

Cory Joe

BrianS · « **Reply #16 on:** October 26, 2020, 06:26:36 PM »

There are 3 views of a Christian Hawken flint pistol in Chandler & Whisker's "The Kentucky Pistol". Page 70, plate 58.

The attached picture is for educational purposes only and offered under the U.S. Copyright Act's Fair Use Clause.

redheart · « **Reply #17 on:** October 27, 2020, 09:10:41 PM »

If you search Judson Brennan Hawken you'll see what I always thought was arguably the coolest Hawken pistol ever made. However it's a capper and not a fullstock, and I'm not sure that there ever was an original fullstock J&S or S.Hawken pistol, but if there is I'd love to see one.

Daryl · « **Reply #18 on:** October 28, 2020, 03:48:04 AM »

Googling "Judson Brennan Hawken " got me rifles only. I re-Googled Judson Brennan Hawken Pistol and got it.
Nice indeed. Interestingly heavy (wide) hammer.

elk killer · « **Reply #19 on:** October 28, 2020, 04:05:57 AM »

If you go to Brennans blog it shows the building of that pistol

Dphariss · « **Reply #20 on:** November 11, 2020, 04:41:11 AM »

Quote from: Bob Roller on October 23, 2020, 06:02:46 PM

Quote from: RAT on October 22, 2020, 12:21:27 AM
Never seen a flint J & S Hawken... rifle or pistol. Never seen a full stock Hawken pistol. So anything you do will be speculation. I suggest a half stock flint pistol. There are plenty of photos of flint half stock English style dueling pistols. They were very popular in America. In the book "Firearms of the American West" there are 3 examples by Philip Creamer... another St Louis maker that came from Maryland. There are several books on Maryland makers that have photos of half stock flint pistols.

There is or was a fullstock rifle in the Smithsonian Institute that was supposedly identified as a flintlock
Hawken rifle but whether or not that was ever completely established as FACT I don't know.
The rifles that were and are being offered as flintlock Hawkens are as you said,a speculation and there
are some good looking fullstocks with Hawken butt plates and trigger guard seen frequently.
I made a number of Ketland locks for these for a long time and used the last one on a personal project
in 2008. English half stock flintlock rifles are a favorite of mine and I had a brief experience with one owned by
the late Tom Dawson.It was a Manton and if there was any lag in ignition I could not here it .

Bob Roller

The photos of the disassembled Smithsonian gun leave no doubt it was originally flint and it's an S Hawken well into the 1840s maybe even later.
Given that there were people in the 1840s, in the West, who still would not trust the Percussion system, the Hawken Shop simply HAD to make flintlocks for the far West into the 1830s due to the time line of the percussion system if nothing else. But by the mid 30s the percussion system was very common.

Dan

Herb · « **Reply #21 on:** November 11, 2020, 07:33:31 AM »

Here is one I built. 30 grains of Goex 2F, if I remember, from rest at 25 yards.

redheart · « **Reply #22 on:** November 11, 2020, 07:49:45 PM »

Classy lookin pistol Herb! And the best thing of all is, It sure does shoot!

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Author Topic: Full stock flint Hawken style pistol (Read 3500 times)