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Offline WKevinD

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Wilson chiefs grade
« on: November 05, 2020, 06:14:53 PM »
I just had a beauty come thru the shop.
Walnut stock, engraved brass mounts, 48" Oct to round fowler barrel, missing the lock.
He was wanting to sell it but I am short on funds.
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2020, 06:41:31 PM »
Cool! Has the stock been cut down?

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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2020, 07:12:05 PM »
If available please let me know.
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2020, 07:33:00 PM »
Nice piece of history Kevin.  I sent you a message. 
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2020, 07:53:07 PM »
Cool! Has the stock been cut down?
the forestock is missing about 20" broke not cut
 Kevin
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2020, 11:22:09 PM »
That is cool! With that French butt, do you think it is restocked or one of the trade guns the Brits made in the French style? I know they made at least a few  that way. Interesting that the forward lock nail almost misses the side plate and there is no hole for in it the side plate that would indicate secondary usage. Not too worried about little things like that I guess, just cranking them out.
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2020, 11:54:13 PM »
I looked pretty close and I think it is the original stock, the faceplate appears to have been broken at the front lock nail some time ago. The Wilson touchmark and British inspection marks at the breech line up with the references I have. As well as the tang carving and engraving. In letting of hardware is tight.
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2020, 03:12:46 AM »
Thanks for posting better/more detailed trade gun photos than can be found in books on that subject.
I learned a bit.

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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2020, 04:04:48 PM »
Oh WOW!!!
In James Hanson's Encyclopedia of Trade Goods-Firearms, he shows a gun with what seems, from what i can see, to have very similar hardware. It was owned by a furtrader-silversmith named John Kinzie but was restocked in the era, according to Hanson, so it doesn't have the original "french" style stock.
 
I sure hope someone here can get it ,if available, and am looking forward to seeing what can be found out about it.

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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2020, 04:10:25 PM »
The owner of this gun has sold it
Kevin
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2020, 07:29:48 PM »
I love the architecture on that one.

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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2020, 08:38:27 PM »
 From the picture it looks like the lock unloaded the mainspring, and blew the bottom of the stock out. I had a modern muzzleloader do this, boy will that get your attention.

  Hungry Horse


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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2021, 01:29:32 AM »
I thought you might like to see this Wilson Chiefs gun after a wee bit of tinkering...Louie
















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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2021, 01:33:18 AM »
Nicely done!
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2021, 01:43:21 AM »
Now that's a Louie Parker job for sure!
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2021, 04:28:56 AM »
Louie, very nice job.. I love that old gun!!!!!
I had spoke to Mark S. And he told me you had contacted Dale, on the lock.

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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2021, 03:53:43 PM »
Louie, you out did yourself again. I like it. Well executed.

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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2021, 05:22:04 PM »
Very Nice!!!

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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2021, 06:29:21 PM »
Another patient saved. That old lock  you found fits perfect. 
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2021, 06:30:51 PM »
Wow Louie. Wow.

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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2021, 06:38:57 PM »
Lovely work, Louie!

Looks like it was never done.

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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2021, 09:27:36 PM »
Louie, you always leave us out of breath on your work! That is just a masterpiece. Glad that it fell into your hands where it could get the things that it needed. Wow!
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2021, 10:46:47 PM »
Louie, you are one of the highest quality “tinkerers” around. Your sharing is most appreciated and generous. Thanks for enriching us so much over the years with your insights and skills.

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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2021, 05:12:33 AM »
Phenomenal work Louie!

Wow,
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Re: Wilson chiefs grade
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2021, 10:51:50 PM »
Very glad to see it resurrected!
Kevin
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