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Offline Justin Urbantas

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Swedish sled guns.
« on: December 17, 2020, 06:29:49 PM »
These guns are so cool.  Purposefully built short guns to be fired from sled or horseback.  I'm sure they were very handy and easy to shoot with one hand. I plan on building one one of these days. Here is a description from the owner in Sweden.

"This is a couple of short, handy guns in my collection. They are all swedish, they are called slädbössor in swedish or sleigh guns in english. They were used for self protection against bandits and wolfs and such. Often loaded up with buck shots.

These guns are very rare, not a common thing here. A real sleigh gun is not a chopped down gun its made with proportion due to its lenght. Often the barrels comes from scrapped, old long cavalry pistols.

The first three from the left are from around 1750-1790ies, one of them later converted to percussion. The fourth one is from the early 19th c with a older lock and a swedish m/1704 pistol barrel dated 1710. The last one is quite funny, its a more folkish version, all built from parts taken from a m/1807 rifled pistol."









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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2020, 06:32:17 PM »
Swedish canoe guns... ;D
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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2020, 06:36:09 PM »
Similar to coach guns. One looks stocked in elm. I like the architecture on a couple of these.
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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2020, 07:23:35 PM »
Pretty neat, reminds me of those old Winchester Trappers.

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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2020, 07:46:22 PM »
Do you know how long the barrels are? They look to be about 16" or so.

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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2020, 08:14:57 PM »
Justin:  when you make yours, be sure to make the barrel minimum 18", to avoid having to register it as a restricted weapon.
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2020, 08:22:00 PM »
Looks like what the old Chicago thugs called a "Blooey gun"they
used to solve disputes in the neighborhood taverns.
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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2020, 08:43:43 PM »
Canoe guns. Nice.

Offline Justin Urbantas

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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2020, 09:08:08 PM »
Justin:  when you make yours, be sure to make the barrel minimum 18", to avoid having to register it as a restricted weapon.
I didn't think that applied to flintlock shoulder guns. They're not considered firearms here

Offline Daryl

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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2020, 02:06:13 AM »
As long as it is 26" overall length & had a butt stock, Justin, the barrel can be any length - "as mfgr'd".
Witness some modern rifles & shotguns with 12" to 16" barrels, are not restricted here.
Now, to take one manufactured at even 19", and shorten it to less than 18", would be a crime. Go figur,
if a cap lock or modern gun.
About flintlocks, yes - any and all are considered antiques = non-firearms - except for handguns, of course.
Only antique flintlocks handguns are considered to be non-fireams. At least that is how I understand "things".
« Last Edit: September 17, 2021, 09:35:22 PM by Daryl »
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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2020, 02:57:08 AM »
We need to have a discussion via email or phone before you commit to making the gun Justin.  I don't want to see you get into trouble with the law for lack of information.
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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2020, 05:47:05 PM »
Similar wee short guns were also made in the Germanic lands, but usually rifled.  Very attractive in some ways!

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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2020, 06:21:20 PM »
They are very attractive guns.
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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2020, 08:09:02 PM »
Controlling jurisdiction is the first rule to consider. What is legal or "unregulated/restricted" here and there are often different. As I understand things it is controlled by jurisdiction, as well as the interpretation of those in charge of enforcement, if  indeed it's regulated.

But I've not read any cases of record on the matter.  Who has citations?
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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2020, 08:10:03 PM »
They are very attractive guns.

Absolutely, as nice as any "canoe gun" I've seen.

Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2020, 08:34:49 PM »
They look nice enough that I would want to make a replica.  The various makers did good work.
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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2020, 09:38:55 PM »
I find #2 and #3 very attractive.

I’ve got a 30” 12 gauge original barrel to use once I ream it out. I will probably make a military carbine like in Jim Mullins’ book “Of Sorts for Provincials” pgs 65-68 and 105-116. But something like this, but longer, has a lot of appeal.
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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2020, 02:42:08 AM »
Most of the barrels are 14" with the one on the right a bit shorter.

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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2020, 03:27:53 AM »
Justin:  when you make yours, be sure to make the barrel minimum 18", to avoid having to register it as a restricted weapon.
This ref of more modern guns is only to relate to the subject at hand.  Win. Trappers- 16 in barrels,
Various " Mare's Legs "    { designated as rifles in Canada even with their 12 in barrels .
I think that the overall length and the model of the weapon allow these to remain as unrestricted in Canada.  I hope so because you may recall that I am just finishing a "pistol carbine / poacher's gun " for a friend who specifically wanted to avoid any restricted designation with subsequent registration

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Re: Swedish sled guns.
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2020, 06:30:05 PM »
The guy has put up 26 more photos of these guns on Fakebook. Have a look.
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