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Offline john bohan

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Deer Hunting woes
« on: January 06, 2021, 03:16:23 AM »
Has this ever happened to you, You are on watch in a deer drive, your pals push some to you ,you fire and miss. The deer stop while you try to reload and just about the time the ramrod goes in the barrel they run. After our hunt the other day one of the guys joked about bringing a flintlock pistol along just to fire a shot to stop them then get the rifle up.

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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2021, 03:34:16 AM »
That's one of the reasons its called hunting and not just shooting. It happens to just about every one.

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2021, 04:03:30 AM »
The buck I missed this year certainly did not stop to smell the roses! He promptly went to visit my neighbor. But totally agree, it’s hunting, not shooting.

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2021, 04:23:09 AM »
Oh, do I know the feeling. I haven’t missed a muzzleloader deer in a very long time, probably something like 30 deer ago, as my hunting habitat is very tight and most of my shots are shorter than 50 yards, and many are within bow range, but I missed a doe this year during archery. The shot was a bit high and she jumped the string and crouched just enough to make me miss her by less than an inch. I filmed it in 4K and shot a lighted nock. I can’t imagine how I didn’t give her a haircut it was that close, but as my old Pop says, “an inch is as good as a mile”.... I am glad I didn’t spine her. I hate that.

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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2021, 05:03:55 AM »
I missed one earlier this year.  I hadn't primed my flintlock and one walked out.  After messing around priming, I saw there was a stick in front of my blind.  The spike kept walking, and I think I hurried the shot and shot high thinking to shoot before he got to the stick.  At 40yds. it should have been a slam dunk.  It happens.  The stick is no longer there.  I trimmed it out of the way.
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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2021, 05:40:16 AM »
I missed four bucks in a row this year with my longbow. What made it even worse was they were all under twenty yards. For a while I was wondering if the good Lord wanted me to be a vegan. Then I picked up my flintlock and it was venison for dinner ;)
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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2021, 06:09:04 AM »
I put a pronghorn antelope in the longhunter record book about 25 years ago. He was bedded down on top of a ridge and it took an hour to belly crawl close enough for a shot. At 40 yards he stood up to relieve himself and spotted me. I rose to one knee and the rifle misfired. I tried again with the same result. I actually had enough time to resharpen the flint with my knife and reprime. At this point he was done and had enough and I shot him through the heart just as he jumped. Anyway I got him and Sam Fadala published my picture in one of his black powder books.

Strange but true.
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2021, 06:26:07 AM »
I remember reading something along the these lines, the missed shots are the ones you remember the most. I can attest that there’s some truth to that. On the last day of the 2019-20 PA flintlock season I had a group of 5 does work their way toward my stand, wind was swirling and they were pretty twitchy. One offered a broadside shot at about 60yards, I let fly and of course all h$&l breaks loose. I get down and spend about 45 minutes confirming it was clean miss. It was now 4pm, I’ve blown it, no deer for me this season......or so I thought. At about 4:50 with light fading, another group of 4 doe meandered down the same trail but this time the wind was steady in my favor. A nice young doe fed within 30 yards of my stand, stopped at a quartering away angle and I dropped her clean. It was dark by the time I finished field dressing. That was the second deer I’ve taken on the last day of a season, in the last hour. Never give up!!

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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2021, 03:17:59 PM »
Never hunted in a state that it was legal to do a deer drive. Not sure I would participate in one. The potential for getting shot seems high.
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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2021, 04:03:03 PM »
It is simply amazing how small a twig can be and still deflect an arrow .   3 deer I've loosed arrows at owe their lives to this fact  :)   What is / was a real eye opener occurred two years ago.  At approx 40 yards, I pulled the trigger on a very nice 8 point buck and sent a .715 ball his way.  There happened to be a small sapling in the way ....in the 3/4 inch or a bit less  diameter range.  Got the sapling...missed the buck ! 

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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2021, 05:08:50 PM »
We don’t shoot each other if we are making sure of what we are shooting before we aim and pull the trigger. Safety First.

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2021, 06:07:19 PM »
I probably shouldn't comment on drives since I've only been on one of them. But, wild game are not livestock that slowly walk along ahead of you making it dangerous for you to get shot at. We did an elk drive in Colorado in 1973 and had the older hunters at the bottom of a mountain in an open area while 4 or 5 younger hunters me included came down from the top through the timber. It was 3 or 4 miles of walking and no one saw an elk since they weren't interested in cooperating. Apparently the old guys thought this would work or that it had worked before.  ???
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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2021, 06:15:45 PM »
This used to be common in what was called the Southern Tier in NY state. In that area it was shotgun slugs only. I’m not sure how effective it was. And it definitely ruined hunting for a few days following.
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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2021, 06:25:38 PM »
Deer drives are the most used method in many areas, open country with slews, draws, tree strips, large CRP areas,
 Etc. my son and I do two man drives using the wind to good effect. We stay away from the twenty man bunches.

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2021, 10:23:54 PM »
Never been on a  deer drive but we did try a similar strategy on Javalina in Arizona several years ago.  We were three adults and one youngster.  I got mine the first day.  The second morning we decided to set the kid up on a well used trail and try to move something out of a large bowl that fed into the pinch point.  His dad worked the ridge, i was half way down and Walt was working the bottom.  Walt came on a half dozen animals moving in the right direction so he figured to move in behind them to help them along.  Trouble happened when an old desire to count coup welled up.  Walt stood by a Palo Verde tree and waited for them to pass.  He tapped the last one by on the butt with his ramrod - guess he figured that would move them up the draw.   The large female spun around and came after him with teeth flashing.  He dropped his rifle and climbed the Palo Verde tree as high as he could.  If you have ever seen one of these trees, you know they are soft wood covered with thorns.  The Javalina kept him treed for several minutes, teeth clicking.  When he was finally able to climb down he looked like he had been in a fight with a sack of cats.  Scratches everywhere.  Javalina disappeared.  Not sure who was driving who on that hunt.  Guess you need to stick to something that does not bite for that style of hunt. 

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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2021, 10:52:57 PM »
I put a pronghorn antelope in the longhunter record book about 25 years ago. He was bedded down on top of a ridge and it took an hour to belly crawl close enough for a shot. At 40 yards he stood up to relieve himself and spotted me. I rose to one knee and the rifle misfired. I tried again with the same result. I actually had enough time to resharpen the flint with my knife and reprime. At this point he was done and had enough and I shot him through the heart just as he jumped. Anyway I got him and Sam Fadala published my picture in one of his black powder books.

Strange but true.

Here's the picture I was talking about.


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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2021, 12:22:18 AM »
I think most of you did not see the humor in the way the deer act in a flintlock season, as far as saftey in our drives all must wear blaze orange even though in Pa it's not mandatory in flintlock season.

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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2021, 02:58:54 AM »
John,
Definitely see the humor in your story. And in the stories about limbs getting in the way. And in drives. In fact, if one can’t find humor in failures as well as successes (in hunting as in life), probably doing it wrong.

My recent experience was last weekend, Saturday after New Years. I was still hunting on the edge of a friend’s place, next to a big chunk of public land. A local hunting club was running dogs (legal in MS). I’d seen no deer all afternoon, heard lots of baying from the hounds, and had one dog run up right beside me. Figured after the dogs, my day was done. They’d probably pushed the deer out. So I started to walk back in.

On my walk, I stopped in a patch of deadfall. Windstorm or pine Beatles had made a mess, with downed trees every which way. I figured with 45 minutes of daylight left, a good place to stop and just see if anything came back through. Sure enough, I hear the “neighbor’s” dogs again. And two big does come busting over the hill about 25 yards away. I completely forgot about the deadfall when making my shot.

The result? Log soup.




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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2021, 03:08:07 AM »
when I first started using a flintlock, on one of our drives a doe ran to me and stopped,I fired at a whole 20 yds. She want down,I could not find where I hit her,and later found the ball had gone through snow on top of a log then struck her neck,not where I was aiming. So much fun.

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2021, 03:35:06 PM »
Over the years I've been a part of many deer "drives."  Although I've never really liked that word because I have watched (during regular firearms season) an orange mob surround a patch of woods and listened as it turned into WW III.  There used to be a couple of families in our area where all the cousins etc got together and did this.  How they didn't manage to kill or injure someone the way they did it is still amazing to me. 

My dad always said, "We push; we don't drive."  Most of our "pushes" involve two to four people depending upon who is available and what the terrain is like.  Ideally, the person doing the pushing never sees the deer as they use their scent and/or noise to get the deer on its feet and get it moving in the appropriate direction to the stander.  Typically these deer are sneaking, not going mach 1.  A plan is made beforehand, so both the pusher and the stander know the other's approximate location.  Also, as someone said earlier in this thread, you need to identify your target and what is behind it BEFORE YOU SHOOT!  This is not the place for a trigger happy fool!  Dad always told me to pick my hunting partners carefully and don't hunt with someone who isn't safe.

Typically most of our pushes are done during the muzzleloader season.  In Minnesota, our muzzleloader season is the last firearms season.  By that point the deer have been run all over heck and gone, the dumb ones are already in someone's freezer, and things get tough.  Also, when you are a working person, trying to get out and post after work becomes an issue due to the shortness of the days. When we get time to hunt on weekends, we do a fair number of pushes.  We have our key spots.  We pick areas likely to hold deer but are small enough that two to four guys can push and cover escape routes.

Many deer still get by us because they didn't read the script and pop out in unexpected places.  Sometimes they sit tight and do come by at warp speed and you miss.  But every so often, everything goes right and we put one on the ground.  After several months of stand hunting with my recurve, I love the activity and anticipation (it is also often very cold during this season, so a little walk feels good!), whether I am on post, or the one sneaking along making the push.  It is a fun way to hunt!  Not sure that I would throw a neophyte into it by themselves, but that would be for another thread.

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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2021, 05:48:52 PM »
I mounted mine

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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2021, 06:01:09 PM »
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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2021, 07:31:12 PM »
Looks like dead center. Nice shot.  ;D  :)

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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2021, 08:33:24 PM »
On a guided hunt here in Northern BC, a friend of mine was guiding a 75 year old gentleman from the United States Of America.  It was an archery hunt, and the gent was shooting a longbow.  My friend called in a bull moose to 11 yards, and the hunter loosed his arrow into a 1" diameter alder sapling, the only obstruction between the hunter and the quarry.  If you had to hit that tree to save your life, you couldn't make that shot, but Murphy has a way of humbling a person.
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Re: Deer Hunting woes
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2021, 12:35:23 AM »
I mounted mine



I have the twin to yours, by the way.  This was from a shot that found the one, the only stick camouflaged in front of the deer.

My lock pan Is primed just prior to stepping into the woods.  The rifle is at half cock and the frizzen cover in on.  The "ooops" here happened when a bragging size buck stepped out in front of my ground blind at about 25 yards in a perfect broadside pose.  He was completely in the clear and didn't notice me.  When I raised the rifle and pulled the trigger I was greeted with a "clack".  Somehow the prime had fallen out; likely from the frizzen catching momentarily on a bit of the brush which grew thickly between the truck and the blind.  He didn't move, just turned his head to watch me.  I quickly started re-priming the pan.  I'd just finished when he bolted away before I could even pull the cock back.
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