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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #100 on: October 18, 2024, 07:51:17 AM »
Fantastic looking design, Richard!  I would go with that just like it is.


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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #101 on: October 18, 2024, 09:38:05 AM »
That's going to be a great looking rifle. Love the shell carving. Thanks for showing the steps. Going to try that a few practice carvings.

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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #102 on: October 22, 2024, 05:13:52 PM »
Thanks guys! Appreciate the support. I started the engraving yesterday and I hope for a good outcome…fingers crossed.
Cheers Richard

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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #103 on: October 22, 2024, 06:14:19 PM »
Richard, I apparently missed this thread!  What an outstanding piece of work….but I wouldn’t have expected anything less from you.
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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #104 on: October 23, 2024, 05:30:04 PM »
Hi Bob, thank you! You are very kind, and I admire your work too. Too bad you can’t post your outstanding scratch built Farquharson that’s on the ASSRA site here.
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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #105 on: October 23, 2024, 11:16:10 PM »
So far everything you have done on this piece is so pleasing to look at! Just beautiful!

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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #106 on: October 24, 2024, 06:03:47 AM »
Thanks Tom! It looks like some chicken was scratching on this thing…




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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #107 on: October 24, 2024, 06:56:56 AM »
In reply number 54, you were shaping the tang.

Is that a brass template you used?  Were you able to clamp it tight enough to file it while it was clamped, or did you just use it to trace the pattern?

Did you file the pattern on the brass template? 

I'd like to learn more about this, as I tried one and messed it up.

Thanks!

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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #108 on: October 24, 2024, 07:15:53 AM »
You are off to a great start, Richard!  Looking good so far.


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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #109 on: October 24, 2024, 03:56:19 PM »
Thanks Curtis! I have a long way to go. The border is a lot larger than I had wanted. When I was laying it out it did not appear to be that large. I need to be more careful in the layout, by that I mean after drawing the pattern I need to step away from the work and revisit the design after a period of time has gone by.

Martin, the template is brass about .025” thick and it was filed to shape. It was used as a template only to trace the shape onto the tang, mainly to be sure the tang profile is symmetrical. The tang was filed to the traced lines that included a 5 degree draft angle. Practice on some scrap, sometimes I should heed my own advice. Good luck

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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #110 on: October 29, 2024, 06:30:50 AM »
Some more engraving on the tang… not great but passable. I need to shade the leaves.





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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #111 on: November 07, 2024, 02:16:26 AM »
I drew a bunch of designs and copied some but I decided on my own version of the English rose for engraving the trigger guard bow…




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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #112 on: November 07, 2024, 02:47:10 AM »
Wow!!
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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #113 on: November 07, 2024, 11:42:20 PM »
Yeah WOW! Loverly.
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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #114 on: November 08, 2024, 04:04:21 AM »
Hi Richard,
Wow!  Wonderful work and it looks great!  I love the trigger guard.  I created an image of your engraving and added some details that I thought you might consider.  It fills in the white spaces and gives the design some mass as well as 3-D perspective. Just a thought and suggestion.




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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #115 on: November 08, 2024, 07:27:42 AM »
Hey guys, thanks a lot the nice comments and suggestions are much appreciated. Dave , thank you! I have a practice piece I did of the rose and I’ll play with it and include your suggestions.
I had a lot of nice comments about my carving. A lot of credit goes to Mark Silver. Many here know him as one of the best gunmakers in the country. I was fortunate enough to take a weeks class with him when he was teaching at WKU In Kentucky along with Jim Kibler. More than anything they both emphasized the importance of design. Someone said “a poor design perfectly executed is ugly to look at” or words to that affect. Mark had me draw, redraw , redesign, redraw until it almost became ad nauseam. A pencil and paper is your best friend! In a nutshell the way I do it is start with an idea or photos, free hand it on a piece of white printer paper. Be loose with your lines and when you are done some of those lines will ‘flow’ better than others. Take a piece of tracing paper over your drawing and trace the best looking lines. Keep doing that process until you can’t find any faults in the drawing…and put the drawing away for a few days. After you revisit that drawing and it still looks good do a final check that all the lines flow, you may want to add or remove some lines at this time. Now, scan that images and scale it down and transfer that design to the stock or metal and hack away.
So thanks Mark & Jim!
Cheers Richard


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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #116 on: November 08, 2024, 08:47:46 PM »
Wow that looks good

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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #117 on: November 08, 2024, 10:13:34 PM »
Amazing how much texture those little lines provide. :o
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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #118 on: November 10, 2024, 04:18:23 AM »
Hi Dave, tried to incorporate your ideas onto my rose that I cut on my practice plate. I could not incorporate your curved shadow lines since those lines were already cut but did cut in the other lines you suggested. What do you and other folks watching think…I think I like it Dave, thanks.
Cheers Richard



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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #119 on: November 10, 2024, 07:47:52 AM »
Richard, I thought the rose looked pretty good originally, but with the addition of Dave's recommendations it looks even better!  Very nice work.


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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #120 on: November 11, 2024, 02:01:05 AM »
Thanks Curtis! I just finished most of the engraving on the TG, just two more areas to do the triangular part were the rear tang joins the TG




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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #121 on: November 13, 2024, 07:07:24 AM »
The furniture on this rifle is steel and it looks good in its bright finish. Renaissance wax does a pretty good job as a rust prevention on the steel parts but I was wondering what alternatives are finish wise. I’m going to CCH ( color case harden)the breech plug/tang after it’s engraved but I’m concerned about warpage on the trigger guard and butt plate. I think I may CCH the entry pipe and thimble and rear sight. Hot bluing is out but rust bluing is an option but I would like the finish to be a bit on the lighter side in order to not obscure the engraving. Charcoal or heat bluing maybe? What are some of the old, late 18th early 19th century, British finishes. Any thoughts or idea guys?
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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #122 on: November 13, 2024, 07:43:06 AM »
Richard, I would recommend a Bright English Charcoal Blue for the trigger guard and the buttplate.  With the polish you have on the trigger guard it will really POP and will not obscure your engraving at all.  Below are some examples that I used that finish on.







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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #123 on: November 13, 2024, 08:08:35 AM »
Thanks Curtis! I really admire your work, in fact it was yesterday and I was looking at the beautiful engraving you did on your A. Henry Creedmoor rifle. I’d like to learn how to charcoal blue.
Thanks Richard

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Re: Jim Chambers English Sporting Rifle build. Ver.2
« Reply #124 on: November 13, 2024, 03:09:52 PM »
Hi,
The bluing and case hardening finishes would look great but if you want the gun to be consistent with the period it represents (1740s-1750s) the hardware would be polished bright.  The lock might be temper blued but that is about it.  The standing breech could be case hardened but any colors polished off.  Rust browning and charcoal bluing started to be fashionable in England near the end of the 1760s about 1-2 decades after the style of your gun. I also believe engraving styles on high end guns changed a bit with the growing popularity of browning and bluing.  The engraving was cut deeper with more relief I believe so it showed up when the part was browned or blued.  I also believe rust browning the barrels became popular when stub and stub twist barrels were introduced and the process revealed the marbled patterns in the iron.  At least one 18th century author on firearms and hunting credits William Bailes with introducing color case hardening as a finish during the 1760s.  Bailes died in 1766.  Here is one example of how I interpreted that period.

 






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