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For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« on: February 05, 2021, 01:04:28 AM »
Hi,
Here is how I install the style of butt plate on the Edward Marshall rifle.  Bigmon asked for help a week or so ago and I thought I would post this for him and others.  I am building the gun from a rough stock and using a wax cast plate from Barbie Chambers. 





The first task is to prepare the plate.  Two notches have to be filed into the triangular finial on the front of the plate.  They are the exact profile of the edge of a half round file so filing them was a piece of cake.  The butt plate has a slight concave arc to the face that needs to be straightened.  I annealed the brass and simply squeezed each edge in a vise to straighten  it.  Next I flatten all the inside of all edges that sit on the wood and file draft in all edges that inlet into the wood.
 





When the plate is ready for inletting, I carefully trace the profile on the stock.  Now, I normally don't install a butt plate until the stock is roughly shaped and in this case, that would make the job easier.  However, I decided to do the plate now so it might still be in time to be of some use to Bigmon.  After tracing the outline I cut very close to the line on the end of the stock.  That face is almost perfectly straight down, which makes installing this plate much easier.  The original rifle is also very straight.  I mount the stock in my leg vise with the muzzle supported by a dog in the sliding deadman.  Note how the face of the plate needs very little work to bring it flat to the stock.  Basically, once it is flat against the stock, the butt plate no longer will be moved forward during inletting, just straight down. Again, this is so much easier when the plate is flat with no arc.
   



The dog I mean is an iron hook not my little black and white buddy.  That positions the butt end high up and eay to see and work on for the initial tasks.
 



I determine where the shoulder of the part of the tang that sits down on the wood ends and where the part that is inlet into the wood begins.  I cut and file away that shoulder.
 



I shape the shoulder and radiused heel until the plate fits down on the stock.  Then I can trace the forward part of the tang and start inletting it. 



I just keep working forward with the inletting until the tang sits down into the wood.  I use inletting black to check the fit and make minor adjustments.  The job would be easier if the top of the comb was already rounded close to the final form.  The edges of the tang sit below the level of the wood so I have to be careful removing the plate so I don't chip the wood.  The job came out nicely and I am pretty happy with it.  As per the original, the wood screw on top is 1 3/4" from the end of the heel of the plate and the lower screw is 1 3/8" up from the bottom of the toe.







dave


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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2021, 02:27:58 AM »
Hi,
I forgot to mention, I love this gun.  As I work on this project I am more and more convinced it is one of the greatest American rifles ever made.

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2021, 02:50:13 AM »
Nice work Dave!
Can't wait to see it finished.

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2021, 02:58:46 AM »
I'm curious where the drawing of the rifle in the background came from. Is it something you did? Looks pretty nice.

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2021, 04:10:47 AM »
Great pics, great explanation, thanks.       StevenV

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2021, 04:06:26 PM »
I'm curious where the drawing of the rifle in the background came from. Is it something you did? Looks pretty nice.
Hi,
It is a drawing by Houston Harrison.  He did other guns and they are excellent guides.

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2021, 06:43:39 PM »
I'm curious where the drawing of the rifle in the background came from. Is it something you did? Looks pretty nice.
Hi,
It is a drawing by Houston Harrison.  He did other guns and they are excellent guides.

dave

Thanks Dave! If I ever run into him I must inquire about the drawing.

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2021, 07:11:52 PM »
"Thanks Dave! If I ever run into him I must inquire about the drawing."

Go to Muzzleloader Builder's Supply web site. They carry this drawing and others by Mr. Harrison.
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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2021, 07:13:05 PM »
I'm curious where the drawing of the rifle in the background came from. Is it something you did? Looks pretty nice.
Hi,
It is a drawing by Houston Harrison.  He did other guns and they are excellent guides.

dave


Thanks Dave! If I ever run into him I must inquire about the drawing.
You may not want to run into him any time soon.
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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2021, 07:35:01 PM »
Hi,
I believe Harrison died a few years back.

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2021, 07:53:31 PM »
HEy thanks so much for this, I really appreciate this.

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2021, 08:22:52 PM »
 Good stuff Dave, Thanks for taking the time to do it. Should be helpful to many. Somewhere along the line it should bet moved to "Tutorials".

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2021, 08:48:34 PM »
Hi Tim,
Thanks for the post.  I will move it to tutorials in a week.

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2021, 01:18:29 AM »
I'm curious where the drawing of the rifle in the background came from. Is it something you did? Looks pretty nice.
Hi,
It is a drawing by Houston Harrison.  He did other guns and they are excellent guides.

dave


Thanks Dave! If I ever run into him I must inquire about the drawing.
You may not want to run into him any time soon.

Oops, sorry, didn't know him. KC, thanks for the link.

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2021, 01:58:39 AM »
HEy thanks so much for this, I really appreciate this.

Hi,
You are very welcome.  I'll add posts occasionally about the project as I move along.  I won't do a step by step thread but will update folks as I reach certain milestones with respect to making the gun.  Bigmon, maybe you could help me.  What triggers are you using?  Are they set triggers?  I cannot find any commercially made set triggers that likely will work with the thick wrist.  I wonder if that is why the EM kit makers use locks with definite banana or downward curves at the tail so standard set triggers will reach the sear.  I may have to make my own triggers. 

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2021, 04:04:19 PM »
Dave that is an excellent tutorial. It is really not easy to relate how to do something. I am sure this will help many in the future.
As far as triggers go Jim Chambers carried some Davis triggers with taller strike surfaces for such a situation. I talked to him about them when I saw them at his booth at Friendship. You may want to give him a call.
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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2021, 05:01:04 PM »
THANK YOU ALACRAN!!!  I will call Barbie on Monday.

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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2021, 05:50:51 PM »
Actually I plan on using a simple pined trigger.  I know a set trigger would be more correct but this gun is for one of my three sons.And they are all basically hunters, actually very good hunters.  BUT, are not familiar with set triggers as they only get these guns out during the PA flintlock season and I don't want any problems or accidents.  I can always change the triggers I guess.
This is the final of three guns I have made for them all from a cherry tree I cut down on my own property.
They all have flintlocks I made them years ago from parts I picked up at blanket shoots, used barrels, etc.  But now that I have retired I got back into this and am making them nicer but not any more efficient rifles.  These I hope will be family heirlooms to pass down, I hope.
I know cherry is not correct for this rifle but that's what I have here and cut from the homestead, so that's part of the story of this gun.  It is not meant to be a copy of the MArshall, but of that style.
I did see that Davis makes a trigger for these type of guns.  But the set trigger is not straight back as you see on Yeagers sometimes.?
Again, thanks for the help, soon as I get my BP I am going to start on it.  Maybe I'll post a couple pics as I go, but for advise.


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Re: For Bigmon - Edward Marshall Butt Plate
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2021, 10:14:28 PM »
Smartdog,
Thanks for the tutorial on the Marshall butt plate install. It will help all of us! Also, Bigmon, please keep us appraised of your build progress on this rifle. Very interesting story behind the rifle and your plan for your sons. That is special. Thanks.
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