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Offline Dietle

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hand forged gunsmithing screw plate and tap
« on: February 24, 2021, 04:06:29 AM »
This farm-made screw plate and tap was found in a bucket of antique muzzle loader parts and tools on one of the farms associated with the Lepley gunsmiths of Somerset County, Pennsylvania.






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Offline rich pierce

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Re: hand forged gunsmithing screw plate and tap
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2021, 04:19:38 AM »
That is really cool. Not often do we see a blacksmith- made one like this.
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Re: hand forged gunsmithing screw plate and tap
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2021, 06:56:50 PM »
I wonder if it was used to make lock and tang bolts.  Neat find.
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Re: hand forged gunsmithing screw plate and tap
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2021, 09:48:15 PM »
 I see no cutting slot in the tap, and no reasonable amount of taper in the threads either, which would lead me to believe it’s not a tap at all. The “screw plate” would normally be secured in a vise to secure it solidly enough to form the threads. This “screw plate” has a finger ring that would not give enough support to cut threads. The parts are all very crudely made like some kind of temporary repair. I’m not sure just exactly what it is.

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Re: hand forged gunsmithing screw plate and tap
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2021, 10:50:00 PM »
I'm afraid I agree with Hungry Horse.  I have seen several farm blacksmith made nuts made very similar with a tail so it could be hand tightened and loosened in the field. No washer needed either.   I've also seen them forged with a tail that looked like it was for hammering on and off rather than using a wrench. 

Having broke down in the field with a tractor or farm implement........it brilliant.  One hammer or rock fits all nuts.  LOL

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Offline James Wilson Everett

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Re: hand forged gunsmithing screw plate and tap
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2021, 12:48:04 AM »
Guys,

Very often with 18th century taps there is no "cutting slot".  The threads are swaged, not cut, as with modern taps.  If the screw plate is hardened, as in a file will not cut it, then it is indeed a die or screw plate.  Also, in the period the screw plate is hand held and the screw blank or shank is the part held in the vise.  I believe that Dietle is correct in his description.

Here are some other 18th c taps, some have a small slot and some do not.  The slot collects the very fine "swarf" not really a "cutting slot" at all.



Here is another "smith made" screw plate, they come in all different configurations.



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Re: hand forged gunsmithing screw plate and tap
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2021, 12:52:23 AM »
Thanks Jim.  Makes sense and thanks for the information.

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Re: hand forged gunsmithing screw plate and tap
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2021, 01:52:44 AM »
Interesting info James, thanks for posting.
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Re: hand forged gunsmithing screw plate and tap
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2021, 09:16:43 PM »
Here's one I have that's similar to Jim's.


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Re: hand forged gunsmithing screw plate and tap
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2021, 06:04:05 AM »
Awesome stuff there.  Thanks for sharing.