Author Topic: Rebuilding a German ca 1710 Pistol (Read 7540 times)

runastav · « **on:** March 14, 2021, 01:18:04 PM »

Hi all! A guncollektor buddy ask, can you make a pistol out of this? New silver cast sideplate, triggergard and the lock from a other pistol so I try ;)The sideplate was oversize and there is a lot of filing before it lay in place.
Runar

Niall · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2021, 03:07:56 PM »

Lovely pistol,it'll look great when you're done.......What did you use to glue the the wood ??

Looks like the stock is possibly burr mulberry( g.Morus)which was in fashion for European pistol stocks around the end of the XVII/start of the XVIII century.What do you think??

rlm · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2021, 04:27:06 PM »

That is some project. If that wood is mulberry I have new respect for a species that I always considered just an invasive plant. Keep us updated.

Marcruger · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2021, 09:10:06 PM »

With your skills Runar, it will be a beautiful pistol again. God Bless, Marc

Jim Kibler · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2021, 09:12:43 PM »

Quote from: Niall on March 14, 2021, 03:07:56 PM

Lovely pistol,it'll look great when you're done.......What did you use to glue the the wood ??

Looks like the stock is possibly burr mulberry( g.Morus)which was in fashion for European pistol stocks around the end of the XVII/start of the XVIII century.What do you think??

Burl maple. Absolutely no question about it.

Jim Kibler · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2021, 09:15:00 PM »

This is a very nice pistol. To be frank it deserves a better "restoration". The sideplate is nothing like it would have originally been.

Jim

runastav · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2021, 09:48:42 AM »

Hi all, and thank you! Niall, I use Brownells Acraglas! and the inside brake I glue in a line clothing as they do in the old time

Jim, I agry with you the sideplate was missing and the jewler who made/cast it can engrawe after the pistol is done if you or other master engrawers can suggest a pattern on the plate I be glad!
Runar

Niall · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2021, 10:52:21 AM »

Quote from: Jim Kibler on March 14, 2021, 09:15:00 PM

This is a very nice pistol. To be frank it deserves a better "restoration". The sideplate is nothing like it would have originally been.

Jim

Jim.
Seems like he made a cast from the inletting for the side plate.I'm sure he'll get it as close as he can to the original.

Niall

runastav · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2021, 05:53:55 PM »

Hi all and thank you Niall! Yes the jeweler use the original innletting since the original sideplate was missing!
Runar

jerrywh · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2021, 08:25:45 PM »

Casting from that impression is a good idea but the end result will be a plate that is approximately .180" short and .030" less in height. You might be able to resolve that difference by peening the backside of the plate to extend it. If anybody can do it it is you.

smart dog · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2021, 08:49:19 PM »

Hi Runastav,
The side plate probably looked something like these:

There likely would be some relief and chiseled designs. Also, during that time period, steel and iron furniture were more the fashion than silver. Steel was very expensive and considered more valuable and preferable to silver.

dave

runastav · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2021, 09:52:15 PM »

Hi, and thank you guys! I think Aldrie Luke have some good suggestion in that drawing

Runar

Adrie luke · « **Reply #12 on:** March 16, 2021, 05:04:41 PM »

Runar

Better

Adrie

runastav · « **Reply #13 on:** March 16, 2021, 08:25:14 PM »

Hi all, and thank you Adrie I will hand it over to the owner and his jewler

The lockplate was to short ca 4mm and new wood added around.
Runar

Ed Wenger · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2021, 04:03:29 AM »

Looking forward to seeing you do your magic..., great start!! Best,

Ed

Daryl · « **Reply #15 on:** March 17, 2021, 04:40:54 AM »

Runar, you never cease to amaze us.

rich pierce · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2021, 04:05:44 PM »

This is one of my all time favorite photos here! Just strikes me as “not your typical gun building process” photo. But it obviously works to hold all those patches in place!

runastav · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2021, 09:53:13 AM »

Thank you guys! Here are some progress

Runar

runastav · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2021, 01:44:34 PM »

Hi guys! Trigger and thomb innlay.
Runar

Ed Wenger · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2021, 04:16:39 PM »

Looking great, Runar, thanks for posting! Best,

Ed

Curtis · « **Reply #20 on:** March 22, 2021, 07:51:19 AM »

I like what you are doing there Runar. Nice work as always!

Curtis

Marcruger · « **Reply #21 on:** March 22, 2021, 02:19:29 PM »

Runar, if you were my neighbor I would get nothing done. I would be at your shop watching you work. Fascinating as usual. Thank you for the update. God Bless, Marc

Not English · « **Reply #22 on:** March 23, 2021, 07:46:32 AM »

What Marc said many times over.

Dave

runastav · « **Reply #23 on:** March 23, 2021, 01:09:20 PM »

Hi all! and thank you folks! I must rebuild the trigger gard its now 6 pieces silversolder together.
Runar

Craig Wilcox · « **Reply #24 on:** March 23, 2021, 03:19:48 PM »

Runar, you've done a fantastic job on that old pistol - looks like it is brand new from the Gunsmith's workbench.

Are you going to test fire it? I know I would, even if it were only one shot.

From another post, maybe two years back, you showed using that rubber tubing as a clamp for wood joinery. Got me a 25' (about 8 meters) piece of 1/4" (6.2 mm) real stretchy rubber, and have used it several times. Used to have a radio controlled glider model that used a 140' (43 m.) piece of that tubing as a launch for it. Never thought that years later, I would be using the same type of tubing on gun work.

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