Author Topic: .50 to .58 (Read 9367 times)

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #75 on:** May 27, 2021, 07:46:31 PM »

Tell me what you guys think of this gun? It weighs 8.5 lbs. Way better than the 10 lb Pedersoli.

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/halfstock-hawken-style-54-cal.132748/

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #76 on:** May 28, 2021, 01:24:43 AM »

Well, I bought it. It was too good a deal to pass up.

No more talk about barrel weight. You all seem to have had enough of that. Me too.

Bsharp · « **Reply #77 on:** May 28, 2021, 06:12:44 AM »

Good trade, now to find a good buy on a 58!

rich pierce · « **Reply #78 on:** May 28, 2021, 03:55:17 PM »

With a Douglas barrel it should be a real good shooter. I’m sure it will handle well for you.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #79 on:** May 28, 2021, 04:50:41 PM »

Thanks, Rich.

Ezra · « **Reply #80 on:** May 28, 2021, 06:09:11 PM »

Looks like a beautiful rifle. You need to give us a range report after you get her to the range!

Ez

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #81 on:** May 29, 2021, 03:10:03 AM »

Here's some targets the seller shot over the years. I don't know what the story is or what the flyers are all about.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #82 on:** May 29, 2021, 04:43:13 PM »

Ok, I found out the story. I can't read what the targets say on them with my vision. The targets were shot at 25, 75, and 100 yds. The shots that look like flyers aren't. he was working on where to hold and sight adjustments. Everytime he settle down to shoot a group yoou see the results. The blue target was 75 yds offhand.

I'd say he was a good shooter and so is the gun. I'm sure I can't do better, so take them as the targets for the gun. I'm happy with it by looking at the targets.

It should be a good hunting gun.

Jeff Murray · « **Reply #83 on:** May 29, 2021, 09:21:43 PM »

Nice looking rifle, particularly for the price. Looks like the seller may have been shooting some lighter loads. You could probably tighten up the group with a little experimentation. Good luck on your hunt.

Daryl · « **Reply #84 on:** May 29, 2021, 09:54:47 PM »

Looking pretty good. Imho, none of his loads are very close to elk loads.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #85 on:** May 29, 2021, 10:52:10 PM »

No, he shot light loads. It was 70gr at 100yds. Ok, for small deer but that's twice as far as i'll shoot an elk. I'm thinking 90 gr with Goex 2F at 50 yds. Plus, it will be a cow.

I thought he shot good groups. All those shots not in the group was him making sight adjustments at different time. That's pretty much all he shot the gun.

It has a looser bore than the Pedersoli. He used a .535 ball and .018 patch. I have no idea how tight that feels. Maybe I can use a Daryl load if I can get it down.

smylee grouch · « **Reply #86 on:** May 30, 2021, 01:09:17 AM »

You could give the crown a good slick Finnish, that would help in starting a tight combo.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #87 on:** May 30, 2021, 02:52:46 AM »

I always do that. The last Pedersoli I just sold really needed it. It was cutting cleaning patches.

I'm thinking the Douglas barrel will be pretty good.

Daryl · « **Reply #88 on:** May 30, 2021, 04:48:03 AM »

Hate to cast doubt, but - I believe, due to the close group size of the tight groups, that all were set at a close range, whether 25 or 50yds orbsome other close range.. I do not for a minute believe the 25/50/75/100yd claim. Sorry, just cannot absorb that by what I am seeing. Does not compute.
90gr. should work just fine at the range specified and likely to 100yds as well. Best wishes.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #89 on:** May 30, 2021, 02:50:25 PM »

I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to insult him by saying I don't believe you shot at 100 yds. I would never say that to anybody though.

He could be an ex-military sniper for all I know.

Craig Wilcox · « **Reply #90 on:** May 30, 2021, 04:14:24 PM »

I believe Pete was just quoting what was written on the back of the targets, and/or quoting what the seller said about the targets.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #91 on:** May 30, 2021, 04:24:12 PM »

Yes, I was going by what he told me in a PM.

Even if the groups were shot at 25-50yds from a bench. It shows the potential of the gun and i'm happy.

Daryl · « **Reply #92 on:** May 30, 2021, 05:20:33 PM »

I understand you were just reiterating what was marked on the targets.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #93 on:** May 30, 2021, 05:29:48 PM »

Except, I can't read what's on the targets. I'm not sure what he told me and what's written on the targets are the same?

Craig Wilcox · « **Reply #94 on:** May 30, 2021, 07:05:53 PM »

Pete, my old Pedersoli .45 was one of the most accurate ML that I have had the pleasure of shooting. It had been a display gun for Pedersoli's American dealership, and I got it at at really nice price.

First time I took it to the range (old clay pit!), I loaded a .44 ball with some unknown patch material - didn't know at the time to mike the material. Used 75 gr Goex 3F. No bench there, so I took a prone position, and shot. The ball nicked the left side of the 1" bull. Two subsequent shots made a group just over 3/4". I put my "sight adjusting tool" (brass hammer) and left the sights where they were. Wish I still had it.

Building a .62 cal Jaeger now, 29 1/2" barrel, swamped, 1.25" ATF. Barrel is by Charlie, and he did a fine job. Got a lot of wood to remove from this chunk of pretty English Walnut, but it is coming along. Hope to inlet the lock later today, or at least get it started.

I have no problem holding it up, but really cannot walk very far before the hip joints start screaming at me. One of the VA orthopedic guys is going to check out my hip joints in two weeks, and we will find out if I get new ones. Hope not, as I live alone, and my trusty Service Dog, Sunny, refuses to even make coffee for me!

But, if and when they fix the hips, Iwould like to borrow your Lakota Sioux friend. He can have at least 75% of the meat. And like you I have been wondering about a short bullet for the Jaeger. The twist that Charlie put in is 1:57 - it may work or may not.

Been enjoying reading your posts, and want you to keep going with your .58 plan. My first ML was a .58 - 1863 Springfield! Good honest shooter, it was.

Take care, my friend.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #95 on:** May 30, 2021, 07:59:35 PM »

Craig..............The problem is I sold the Pedersoli. I wasn't sure boring it to a .58 was going to make it light enough. Maybe I made a mistake by thinking that. It's not too late to change my mind because the buyer is really dragging his feet on sending me a check. He's telling me Tues now. He should have sent it last Thur.

So, I have another gun that's being held for me but it may fall through if I don't pay him. Which I can't do until I get paid for the Pedersoli.

I asked a question earlier in this thread but nobody responded. I'm comparing the gun I sold to the one i'm buying.

Which would be lighter. Both are 1" barrels.

30" .54 or 32" .58

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #96 on:** May 30, 2021, 10:14:49 PM »

Give me some guess's guys? Which is lighter? Both 1"

32" .58

30" .54

T.C.Albert · « **Reply #97 on:** May 31, 2021, 02:29:02 AM »

Just wondering, but won’t a lighter rifle kick harder with a big game load. That might be worse than a little extra weight. Maybe cross sticks would help?

TCA

Daryl · « **Reply #98 on:** May 31, 2021, 02:30:25 AM »

I would guess that the 32" .58 is lighter.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #99 on:** May 31, 2021, 02:53:47 AM »

Quote from: T.C.Albert on May 31, 2021, 02:29:02 AM

Just wondering, but won’t a lighter rifle kick harder with a big game load. That might be worse than a little extra weight. Maybe cross sticks would help?

TCA

It's so soft kicking now that losing some weight will still be ok. If the gun is too barrel heavy it can crack my spine. I have Osteoporosis. That's 1000 times worse than more recoil.

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Author Topic: .50 to .58 (Read 9367 times)