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Offline B Shipman

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Bench copy Schroyer
« on: September 10, 2009, 06:42:05 AM »
A close copy of a George Schroyer. A Reeves Goering #8 buttplate and Schroyer T.G. were used.  Small Siler lock, custom .54 smoothbore, oct. to round, 46 in. long copying the original. 1 in. at the breech. All other parts are handmade.

A bench copy is one made with the original in hand. You'll see minor differences. A documentary copy is an exact copy.











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Offline J. Talbert

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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2009, 06:54:08 AM »
Bill,

You never disappoint.  Pretty nice!

I'd like to see it in person to get better sense of the overall size.  I wouldn't have guessed that's a small Siler.

Jeff
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2009, 07:02:01 AM »
Wow, Bill, that's first rate! I love the shading you achieved on the stock finish- very nice. I'd love to see it in person.
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2009, 12:57:12 PM »
Really nice job Bill.  I need to know how many Manhattans it took to get you to break down and soften the corners and the carving?   The slight aging adds depth and character to the gun, and looks great.  Next thing we know you will have moved from Bivins to Kettenberg in your approach to finishing.   Had to do that.  are you going to bring it to Lewisburg?       Ron
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2009, 02:59:36 PM »
Bill
Very nice!!I really like the color of the finish very mellow.Really looks like a gently used but loved rifle!!

Mitch
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Offline Don Getz

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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2009, 03:21:40 PM »
Billy.....wow, another great one off the bench.  Like RA siad, I hope you have it for a while and can show it at Lewisburg.............Don
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2009, 03:23:08 PM »
Bill, You're sure keeping that bar set really high.  Nice work as always.
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2009, 03:34:52 PM »
bill,very nice and as always top knotch work....you can see some subtle differences..i really enjoy studying your work....bravo zulu!!!!
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Offline C Wallingford

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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2009, 03:57:51 PM »
Very nice. I love the finish. The color and the shading really compliment one another. Beautiful work as usual.
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2009, 04:03:11 PM »
Nifty! ;D
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2009, 04:05:16 PM »
An awesome piece of work!  Actually, another awesome piece of work!  You serve as an inspiration to those of us who aspire to professionalism in this craft.

Best Regards,

JMC
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2009, 04:06:09 PM »
Bill....

     As always, first rate work!  Very clean, crisp lines and the subtle aging really adds character.  Stain or AF?  Again really nice rifle and thanks for posting the photos!

                              Ed
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2009, 04:40:10 PM »
Great looking rifle, a first class job! And as others have said the color is fantastic.
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Offline G-Man

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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2009, 04:59:55 PM »
Bill - that is fantastic.  I really captures the feel of the original.  And it answers a question a friend and I were discussing the other day.

I see the term "bench copy' being used more and more these days, and often the guns look to be more "inspired by" the original than what I think of as a bench copy - i.e. people will alter the architecture, proportions, drop; use stock hardware as is without altering it if it is close, leave the lock as is, etc.  Then maybe copy a patchbox or some of the decorative features, and call it a bench copy.  But these old guns are more than the sum of their individual components - the art is in how it all comes together.

Your piece pulls it off nicely - it captures the overall feel of the original, as well as the details of the individual features.

What a beautiful gun.

Guy
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Offline Roger Fisher

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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2009, 05:15:31 PM »
Warm welcoming feeling when we look at that rifle and it's finish.

I do wonder how that ol man Schroyer's piece with it's narrow leading edge of the lock moulding held together at the front curve w/o breaking out at least once over the years.? Or did it?  Do my old eyes detect a crack there where she has had a repair done?

Maple tougher with the grain than walnut I suppose.  My last 'effort' was walnut and she did break out at that point.  That showed me that the leading edge of the lockplate should be 'relieved' a frog hair at that point.... ::)
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2009, 06:40:59 PM »
Superlative work Bill.  Yours is a great tribute work.
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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2009, 07:00:26 PM »
Kewl!!!  ;D ;D  Once again!!...............
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2009, 07:30:37 PM »
Very nice. I lover Schroyer. It must be a thrill to build using the actual gun as a model rather than photos.
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2009, 07:36:34 PM »
ANOTHER BEAUTY, Bill !!!!
The color, finish and patina tones are what really set it off for me!

I am curious about your pb cutout. You use a forstner bit (I assume) that is undersize, then expand outward. Why not make (or have) different sized bits to suite? This is not a criticism, just curious how you do things.
I have ground several flat wood bits to use, in sizes from 3/4" to 1". The long point on stock bits has to be ground down so it doesn't go too deep.
Here is an example, that is about 7/8" wide.


Oh, and please round off those lock bolt heads before someone cuts themselves! :D

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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2009, 08:00:55 PM »
I'm a Cretin, but I like your forearm to forestock transition better than Schroyer's!
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2009, 12:51:18 AM »
I would suggest that Bill's rifle will be in better shape in 200 years, than George's is now.  That comment may make someone chuckle in two hundred years, reading it here.
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2009, 01:23:14 AM »
 Outstanding.

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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2009, 01:43:12 AM »
What can I say but wow? Love the realistic shading on the stock too. Very well done.

God bless
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2009, 01:56:04 AM »
  Awesome job Mr. Bill.   I'll tell y'all what I really like,  that curvy transition from the breach tang to the top line of the forestock.  That's how it's done.

  Thank You Sir,  Kevin
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Re: Bench copy Schroyer
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2009, 12:16:44 AM »
That's truely a fine job you did there!
Copying old work is no where as easy as it might seem.
And a nice Schroyer you had on hand to copy!
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