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Offline yip

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r/r drill bit
« on: May 30, 2021, 01:38:13 AM »
 what do you fellas use for drilling r/r/ holes?  i use a brad bit that i had turned to 1/4 " and counter bored a drill rod and silver soldered together and thinking about something new.

Offline Craig Wilcox

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2021, 01:48:43 AM »
I got my 48" x 3/8" brad point from MLBS.  Works a charm, as long as you clear the shavings every half inch or so.

For pistols, I have a 1/4" and 5/16" x 18" brad points that i got at Lowes.
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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2021, 01:56:28 AM »
My brother in law used to install home security systems. He gave me a 3/8" X 48" bit used to go between floors for wiring.  Yeah, it was a long time ago, back in the early 80's before wireless systems.

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2021, 02:18:10 AM »
Yip, I use a plain steel rod that matches the diameter of the drill I plan on using. I weld a standard drill bit on the end of the rod. I have a couple of angles that are welded back to back to support the drill and rod in a straight line. The mating ends of the drill and rod are beveled before clamping up and welding. Grind the weld flush with the surface and you're good to go. I've never had one break.

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2021, 03:24:12 AM »
The brad bit will usually go straighter, regular drill bit will work also as said, both need to be pulled out to clear waste, I will even tap stock/barrel on floor to get stuff out of the hole.  But what is most important is the straightness of groove on the forestock both left and right then up and down.  If it doesn’t match your layout on the side the stock, that hole is less likely to go where you want it.  You also need blocks to hold the drill bit in that groove.  I’ve found pushing too hard on the drill doesn’t help either, let the bit do the work.  I know, it gets harder the farther you get, sometimes a little wax on the bit/extension helps.  Sometimes you can do all things right but bad things still happen, the grain of the wood does crazy things.
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Offline Bill Raby

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2021, 04:46:20 AM »
https://www.drillbitsworld.com/Extra-Length-Drill-Bits.html

This place sells drill bits up to 72 inches long.

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2021, 05:45:07 AM »
I use a 48" length of drill rod {not hardened} and drill a hole in  one end to accept the turned down shank of the drill,    either  3/8 dia or 5/16 dia. The 2 are then hi temp silver soldered and filed flush. I grind  a flat bottom drill "point",.....which  seems to act like an end mill and cuts independent of hard/soft areas and grain changes   and is very easy to sharpen. A brad point is nearly as good but is much more difficult to sharpen. The other end has a hole drilled to accept a length of Allen wrench which is  hi temp silver soldered....the length of Allen wrench chucks well  in the brace and contributes some addt'l length. Both holes were drilled in a lathe......Fred
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Offline yip

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2021, 01:50:18 PM »
  do you guys use a drill motor or a brace?

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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2021, 03:08:36 PM »
I use either a regular corded drill or cordless drill (I know, not like done originally but it is one of the few times I use modern tools in building) .
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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2021, 03:51:55 PM »
So, no one is using the tried-and-true gun drill?

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2021, 07:25:25 PM »
I use drills I purchased from TOW specifically made for this job.  They are made like a gun drill, with a milled flat and sharpened end.  They go exactly where I point them whereas twist drills and brad point in particular, wander in hard maple.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2021, 08:13:04 PM »
I made this gun drill out of cold rolled steel. It’s done a lot of ram rod holes and is easy to sharpen. Clear often and it tracks straight.
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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2021, 08:56:56 PM »
I think what is most important no matter what drill style you are using is to clear the chips out OFTEN and have a ram rod groove straight and EXACTLY where you want it so that the drill shaft will follow that groove. P.S. don't force the drill bit take your time. ;)
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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2021, 09:05:27 PM »
I made this gun drill out of cold rolled steel. It’s done a lot of ram rod holes and is easy to sharpen. Clear often and it tracks straight.
IMG_0502 by Oliver Sudden, on Flickr

Yes, this is simple and it works.  I also agree with the direction of the ramrod groove.  A couple of other points, the starting location is extremely critical.  Don't let it ride up and also, don't necessarily clamp it too hard either.  If the starting location is off, your hole will be guaranteed to be off. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2021, 09:06:34 PM »
If you don't mind sharpening a little more frequently you don't even need to worry about hardening.  A single flute geometry is good in that it tracks well.  A twist bit may work, but it's not as rigid and isn't guaranteed to track as well.  The key with all of these conclusions is having a large sample size.  We drill MANY holes in a year's time.  Doing the quantity we do will quickly tell you what works and what is less ideal.

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2021, 09:13:44 PM »
Another good option is two flute straight flute drill bits intended for hard materials.  You can buy these from industrial supply houses.  We use carbide as it lasts forever.  These of course need to be brazed to a length of rod.  We've been using a length of carbide lately as it has I believe 5x the stiffness of steel.  This helps with flex.  This is good, but the bits become more brittle, expensive and hard to produce.

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2021, 03:42:27 AM »
  Jim; just where can one be brought? is there a certain industrial supply you recommend?

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2021, 04:30:56 AM »
Something I do before I drill is take my calipers and run them down the barrel/ramrod groove to make sure the groove is parallel to the barrel before I drill, since the groove will be the guide for the drill.  I do not clamp a guide , but pull the drill frequently, and do a check with a straight metal rod to make sure the hole has not wandered. ( Proper distances for the groove depth can be calculated if using swamped or tapered barrels ).  I prefer the gun drill to a regular twist drill.
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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2021, 04:43:42 AM »
WOW,  $94 FOR THE 48" BIT.  Didn't mean to use caps.

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2021, 04:54:50 PM »
Guys,

Here is a link to an original period ramrod hole drill bit.  it is a shell auger or nose auger.

https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=27973.msg266805#msg266805

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2021, 06:28:35 PM »
  Jim; just where can one be brought? is there a certain industrial supply you recommend?

https://www.mcmaster.com/drill-bits/carbide-drill-bits-for-hardened-steel/

These are solid carbide so it takes diamond to grind a tenon on them.  Probably overkill for the hobby builder.

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Re: r/r drill bit
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2021, 05:25:21 AM »
I make mine out of cold rolled mild steel 1018 rod. Cut a single straight flute on a mill about 3 inches long.. Grind a 118deg point on the end and relieve it a bit so it cuts good. Then case harden with a bit of cherry red compound. Good to go for a long time!! Mine is 5/16" diameter. Years ago I made one that cut counter clockwise to see if it walked any different. It did tend to want to wander right a bit but very little.