Author Topic: Comparing Modern Production 'Hawkens' with actual Hawkens: For Dummies  (Read 1128 times)

Online Bob McBride

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I posted this ad in the For Sale/Wanted section. This thread is for thoughts, ideas, tips, or insights regarding what is called a 'Hawken' and what is a 'Hawken' and how a video series might be useful to beginners.


So, being back on my feet-ish, I'm planning a video series on BPTV on the well known currently produced Plains/Hawken type guns focused mainly on comparing them against one another and comparing each of them against an accurate copy of an actual Hawken as well as a short series on the Hawken itself. This series is not meant to be a treatise but more a guide to education the beginner on the differences between this or that 'Hawken' and an actual Hawken and perhaps how close they can get for x$. As part of this project I will be picking up a GPR, TC/CVA Hawken, a Uberti, a GRRW Hawken, etc. and a higher end bench copy of a extant Hawken. This is a several month project as I have lots of research to do, but I thought, well, lets see about starting to collect the guns I'll need for the series.

That said, I'm looking for an accurate contemporary Hawken. A St Louis Louie P would be my first choice but a Selb, Dawson, Browner, or similar would also do. I'm not sure what I'm looking at here but let's call it $4-$10k.

I'll start a thread on the Contemporary sub as well asking for advice from you pros.

Offline BigAl52

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As a subscriber to the channel and owner of quite a few Hawkens including some GRRW Hawkens I will be watching and enjoying what you present. Hawkens are my gun of choice. Also its good to see you are recovering from your recent health issues.

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Bob, do you have the new Hawken book from the NMLRA
by Robert Woodfill? It will answer many of these type of questions.
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Bob, do you have the new Hawken book from the NMLRA
by Robert Woodfill? It will answer many of these type of questions.
TC

Hey TC, I donít but Alyce-James PMed me and highly recommended it. ĎThe Hawken Rifleí I think it is. Iím ordering it tomorrow.

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As a subscriber to the channel and owner of quite a few Hawkens including some GRRW Hawkens I will be watching and enjoying what you present. Hawkens are my gun of choice. Also its good to see you are recovering from your recent health issues.

Thanks so much Big Al.

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Howdy Bob. Sure am glad to hear this news. I am also one of your subs and can't tell ya how much I enjoy your videos. This series sounds like a good one as many of us were drawn to front stuffers due to the popularity of the Hawken style rifles. when I was a kid you weren't cool unless you had a T/C Hawken. We all wanted to be like Jeremiah Johnson. Heck I still have a soft spot for them and pick one up here and there at auction still.

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Bob, so glad to hear that you are back home and "on your feet-ish".

I will offer to referee between Wayne and you for the DVD Hawken.  As you are still recovering, I'll grant you the first two falls.

Winner is the first to get 2 out of 3 falls.

Oh NOOOOO! Bob wins without even getting up a sweat!

Looking forward to seeing some of the videos resulting from you trying them all out.  If I had a Hawken, I'd just plain give it to ya.
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Bob, so glad to hear that you are back home and "on your feet-ish".

I will offer to referee between Wayne and you for the DVD Hawken.  As you are still recovering, I'll grant you the first two falls.

Winner is the first to get 2 out of 3 falls.

Oh NOOOOO! Bob wins without even getting up a sweat!

Looking forward to seeing some of the videos resulting from you trying them all out.  If I had a Hawken, I'd just plain give it to ya.

Lol. I couldnít beat a banana out of its peel right now, so the ĎThrilla in Vanillaí will have to be postponed until next year. Being second in line for a HH is like being 80th in line for your share of a pickle.

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Bob, do you have the new Hawken book from the NMLRA
by Robert Woodfill? It will answer many of these type of questions.
TC

Hey TC, I donít but Alyce-James PMed me and highly recommended it. ĎThe Hawken Rifleí I think it is. Iím ordering it tomorrow.

Where did you order it from Bob?

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You can order here or from the author directly.



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I received the book last week; now I understand the difference between a hooked breech & a patent breech.
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Hey Bob,  John Bergmann in TN has also produced some fine Hawken style rifles, and might be a useful resource.   God Bless,   Marc

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I wonder if theyíll have a copy up at headquarters at Friendship? We just got to Madison. Iíll check tomorrow. That would be nice.

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You most likly did this already BUT reach out to "Herb "here , He has examind several more historical hawkens and reproduced the same he is a Hawken guy

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Thanks, Recurve.  I have offered Bob McBride a free loan of my two bench copy Bridger Hawkens and a Kit Carson Hawken.
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Bob,
 Good luck with this project!
I have a Bergmann plains rifle with a Hoyt barrel .54 cal that tapers form1 1/8" to 1" at the muzzle.
Wish we were closer but I'm in Washington so loaning it to you is problematic.  :(

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Bob,
I like what you are doing re the Hawken rifles. Although not like some, I thought I'd show you my Ken Netting Hawken. All hardware was done by Edson Meyers, Deer Creek. The barrel is 1"X34" in .50 caliber.













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Great idea Bob, canít wait.

Did you get the contact info for Bob Woodfill? He wrote the book and is a wonderful man. Phones are hard for him, but he loves email. Happy to put you two in touch.
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Great idea Bob, canít wait.

Did you get the contact info for Bob Woodfill? He wrote the book and is a wonderful man. Phones are hard for him, but he loves email. Happy to put you two in touch.

No I donít have his contact info. Iíll touch base once I get a handle on what this project will look like. The book is great. Iím really enjoying it. Hope all is going well with you Ethan.

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I tried to order the book but it says out of stock. My two Hawkens...

Brant Selb .54 


John Bergmann .47 Cal


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tippit, I have a 54 Selb rifle exactly like yours.
I like your Bergman rifle as well; it looks nice & light.
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