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Another Philip Gillespie Rifle with a back action lock
« on: June 14, 2021, 12:51:55 AM »
I hope Eric does not mind me posting a Philip Gillespie rifle similiar to his. This one is posted in the Bruce Miller Memorial library and I posted it on the forum several years ago but many of our new members probably have never seen it.
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This rifle was made by Philip Gillespie of Mills River NC. Philip was born 2/11/1815  and died while serving in the (Union) North Carolina Mounted Infantry  in East TN 1/15/1864.

The rifle may have been built for a target shooter since it was very rare for any of the Gillespie gun makers to use back-action locks (arguably faster than the the standard drum/nipple). The 52 cal barrel is also larger than any other known Gillespie rifle. The barrel measures 37.5" in length, it is slightly swamped, measuring 1.010" at the breech, .940 in mid-section and 1.050" at the muzzle. The barrel has 4 German silver bands inlaid around it and the muzzle also has a wide German Silver inlay (not pictured). The patchbox, sideplate, wear plate, ram rod thimbles/entry pipe all appear to be made of the same German silver alloy used in the barrel inlays. The trigger guard, butt-plate and toe plate are made from brass. The stock is American Black Walnut.

Philip Gillespie is probably the best-known of the Gillespie gun maker. His rifles are normally marked with the initials P * G stamped on the top barrel flat. Most often he used little “fern” like stamps on either side of the initials, on this rifle he has them around the rear sight and also fore and aft of the rear German silver barrel inlays.  The front sight/barrel inlays has the same stamp treatment.

Philips gun shop was located on the banks of the Mills River in Henderson County NC. His father, Mathew Gillespie had his shop nearby.  Philips brothers John, James and Wilson may have been employed in his shop. His brother-in-laws George Washington Underwood and Robert O. Blythe and also his first cousin (and brother-in-law) John Harvey Gillespie may have worked there prior to Philips death in 1864. There is speculation that Philip may have had his initials stamped on other guns made in his shop. This may contribute to the many different styles rifles seen with the P * G marking.

Philip was very much an entrepreneur.  In addition to being a gun maker, he also was a farmer and owned a legal distillery.  In 1849 he purchased 347 acres of land from the estate of his Grandfather  (and namesake), Philip Sitton Sr. This property included the Philip Sitton Sr. home as well as the Sitton Iron Forge that Sitton had established circa 1800.

Foxfire 5  and also  “My Mountains, My People ” by John Paris, tell the story of Philip  burying a cask of brandy and a sack of gold coins the night before he left to join the Confederate forces. While this story may be based in truth, the cache has not been found and it is known that Philip, along with his brother Wilson, brothers-in-law George W. Underwood and Robert O. Blythe, left Mills River by foot, went to Ashville NC and there took a train to Tennessee.

The men worked for several days thrashing wheat and cutting corn. On September 25, 1863, the four men enlisted in the Union Army (not the Confederate as so often stated), at Greenville, Tennessee.

Philip was never married and had no children.

FROM THE CIVIL WAR PAPERS OF PHILIP GILLESPIE

INVENTORY of the effects of Philip Gillespie, late a Private of Captain Joseph Hamilton, Company F. of the 2nd Regiment of North Carolina Mounted Infantry Volunteers, who was enrolled as a Private at Knoxville in the State of Tennessee on the 1st day of October, 1863, and mustered into the service of the United States as a Private on the 9th day of December 1863 at Walkersford in Company F. 2nd Regiment of N. C. M. I. Volunteers to serve 3 years or during the war; he was born in Buncombe County in the State of North Carolina; he was 44 years of age, 6 feet 0 inches high, light complexion, blue eyes, light hair, and by occupation, when enrolled, a Gun Smith; he died in Hospital at Maynardsville, Tenn. on the 15th day of January, 1864, by reason of chronic diarrhea.
Note: There were no items listed in the inventory.
I certify, on Honor, that the above inventory comprises all the effects of Philip Gillespie, deceased, and that the effects are in the hands of __________at ___________ to be disposed of by a Council of Administration.
J. H. Jennings
1st. Leiut.
Commanding the Company

Note that the "INVENTORY" does not list any personal items. Philips brother, Wilson, died (Typhoid Fever) the exact same day in nearby Tazewell, TN. Wilson's war record inventory also states that there were no items to inventory. Wilson's personal diary was sent home to the family (probably by the one surviving brother-in-law) so someone must have picked up these two brothers personal items before the final inventory was done.  The Gillespie family reports that Philips personal rifle and Bowie knife were returned to his family. A friend currently owns the Bowie knife, his personal rifle was reportedly sold to a pawn shop in Henderson County NC in the 50's or 60's. We can only speculate where it is.

Following photos by Mark E. Elliott http://www.markelliottphotography.com












This rifle is far different from other Philip Gillespie rifles but there are several characteristics that identify it as one of his rifles. First, the stampings on the barrel are only seen on rifles made by Philip, his father, or one of his brothers. They are typical of work done by them on other signed rifles. I know of no other maker that used this style of stamping. His initial on the top barrel flat are the same as what he used on other known rifles.

The use of the back action lock is also unusual for Philip but Jerry Noble once owned a signed Mathew Gillespie rifle with the same type action, that rifle is pictured in one of Jerry's books. Possibly the that rifle may have inspired Philip to try a similiar lock. Also the double set triggers are made in the Gillespie style. The front of the trigger plate is held in a notch filed in the front of the trigger guard, the rear of the trigger plate is pointed as many of the Gillespie made trigger plates are. The decorative holes drilled in the triggers are the same style as the triggers his father used on a signed, and dated, Bear Pistol. I suspect Philip got the idea from those. The brass trigger guard and buttplate is typical of those Philip used on other signed rifles.

Some of the stampings used on the patchbox are the same as those used on the only other Philip Gillespie rifle known to have a full patchbox that is original to the rifle. However the prolific use of the little "horseshoe" shaped stamp is something I have not seen before on a Gillespie rifle.

Oh, one other thing, the stamping used on the rr pipes are identical to the stamps used on the rr pipes of a rifle made by Philip's brother Harvey. The only difference is that Harvey had his initials stamped on the middle rr pipe as well as on the top barrel flat.
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Re: Another Philip Gillespie Rifle with a back action lock
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2021, 01:29:42 AM »
Dennis - Glad you posted this.  I was going to post a few pictures of the 2 rifles together, but didn't know if you would want that or not. Since you posted these, I'll take the chance to post pictures of both of them together.









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Re: Another Philip Gillespie Rifle with a back action lock
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2021, 02:27:53 AM »
No problem at all Eric.
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Re: Another Philip Gillespie Rifle with a back action lock
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2021, 07:44:06 PM »
what an amazing rifle... both of them.   

my gggrandfather [ from henderson county ] served in the union forces in eastern TN. 

just speculationon my part,  but it may have been that our ancestors crossed paths in the revolutionary war and the civil war.  intriguing to think about.

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Re: Another Philip Gillespie Rifle with a back action lock
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2021, 11:46:24 PM »
Cable,
Don't tell anybody but Philip, his brother Wilson and 2 of their brother-laws left Mills River, walked to Asheville NC, caught a train over to Eastern TN and joined a Union Cavalry group. John Paris had bern writing how the Gillespie Rifles were sold/used by the CSA but not true but many of my Gillespie kin were upset when I told this in my book!
Hey history is history and should not be changed!

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2021, 03:01:38 AM »
i met john paris once, when i was in highschool [ he was the uncle or great uncle of one of my schoolmates ]

i have his books and a number of similar books from other local authors  [ such as frank fitzsimmons ] . 

growing up, i was made aware of the fact that most of my relatives back then, were unionists.  one of my cousins , while in high school, had the rebel flag on his vehicle and was astonished when i told him what his ancestors would think of that. he had no idea they were union folks.

really wish i knew even more about these things.

hope to finally get back to visit the area.,..... i have finally decided to fully retire at the end of december.  i will be 74 this fall, and have to realize that i need to stop and do the things i had always planned to do !

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Re: Another Philip Gillespie Rifle with a back action lock
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2021, 03:57:29 AM »
Many families had supporters on both sides in our region of Middle to eastern middle Tn. Didn't always agree even as today within the families.

Sorry this did not have anything to do with the topic!
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2021, 04:03:03 AM »
thats  very true -- especially of my mothers familY !  :D

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2021, 06:01:53 AM »
That is one fine rifle !!!!

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Re: Another Philip Gillespie Rifle with a back action lock
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2021, 02:41:13 AM »
Dennis, we discovered more info about William, my GGGgrandfather after he  left Mills River.  His son and he (and two daughters) also went to TN, and the son joined the Union Calvary.  He got sick and died shortly after.  10 years after the war the father got his son's Pension from the US.  But another son was caught in Mills River by "bushwackers" and murdered in the fields near the Sitton-Gillespie graveyard, where he is buried.  Strange how the War moved families around, and separated them.  My family lost about 5 out of Mills River. 

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Re: Another Philip Gillespie Rifle with a back action lock
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2021, 04:32:09 AM »
Dennis, we discovered more info about William, my GGGgrandfather after he  left Mills River.  His son and he (and two daughters) also went to TN, and the son joined the Union Calvary.  He got sick and died shortly after.  10 years after the war the father got his son's Pension from the US.  But another son was caught in Mills River by "bushwackers" and murdered in the fields near the Sitton-Gillespie graveyard, where he is buried.  Strange how the War moved families around, and separated them.  My family lost about 5 out of Mills River.
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Re: Another Philip Gillespie Rifle with a back action lock
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2021, 05:16:13 PM »
Very interesting Dennis.  I just finished a book called “Henry Deringer’s pocket pistol”.  Mr. Derringer used only back action percussion locks on his little deringers.  Tiny ones (relatively speaking) as well.  Deringer also made larger pistols and even rifles.
Question: we’re back locks ever made in flintlock?  Does anyone make contemporary backlocks?

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2021, 08:05:08 PM »
Very interesting Dennis.  I just finished a book called “Henry Deringer’s pocket pistol”.  Mr. Derringer used only back action percussion locks on his little deringers.  Tiny ones (relatively speaking) as well.  Deringer also made larger pistols and even rifles.
Question: we’re back locks ever made in flintlock?  Does anyone make contemporary backlocks?

Ez

I think the flint swivel rifles were actually back action locks but not exactly the same as the ones seen today. Those we see today date to the 1840's and maybe a little earlier.
Dennis
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