Author Topic: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE  (Read 4757 times)

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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2021, 12:46:09 AM »
I guess in the end, if you don't like the description, don't buy it!
Simple.
End of story.  ;)
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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2021, 12:54:21 AM »
I guess in the end, if you don't like the description, don't buy it!
Simple.
End of story.  ;)

I suspect if the people who have posted about this thought that that was the end of the story they wouldn't have posted about it in the first place.  ;)

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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2021, 02:23:29 AM »
I'd suggest that the guys that are going to bid on that rifle won't pay an ounce of attention to the description.  ;)
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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2021, 03:07:57 AM »
I'd suggest that the guys that are going to bid on that rifle won't pay an ounce of attention to the description.  ;)

Good one..

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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2021, 05:05:14 AM »
I'd suggest that the guys that are going to bid on that rifle won't pay an ounce of attention to the description.  ;)

Very much agreed.  Now, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.....
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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2021, 05:15:32 AM »
I'd suggest that the guys that are going to bid on that rifle won't pay an ounce of attention to the description.  ;)

As the instigator of this thread, I would like to offer this.

John is correct, given the relatively high estimates on this rifle, I would imagine that only advanced collectors will bid on it. They will have read Moller's detailed description in his book about the restoration to the forestock. To RIA's credit, they did include pages from Moller's book and state in their description that the rifle is a recon. I also believe that they should have also included RCA Vol I as a reference so a potential bidder can have a fuller appreciation of the rifle before restoration.

On the other hand, their use of the descriptor "Documented" is unfortunate in many ways and disappointing. As brought out before in this thread, the proper term would have been "Published".
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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2021, 12:07:39 PM »
I'd suggest that the guys that are going to bid on that rifle won't pay an ounce of attention to the description.  ;)

Of course.  ;)  And, as we've all said, the description itself is very good and the phrase "Revolutionary War Era" is properly vague enough anyway.

Sometimes different people may be interested in different things. Sometimes even the same person can be interested in more than one thing.

So, sure, what collectors do and what this great rifle sells for (already two different things!) is important.

How auction houses describe things is also important. I'd encourage you to revisit this thread:

https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=57488.0
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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2021, 04:31:00 PM »
I was going to buy it but LP said it has been extensively restored so that kills the deal for me, I don't buy extensively restored KY rifles. I guess that's why I don't have any. ;D
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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2021, 04:38:27 PM »
^^^^
HA!   8)
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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2021, 05:43:03 PM »
So, what's up with Moller stamping his initials on all of these antique guns? ::) Kind of combs my fur backwards.
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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2021, 07:26:37 PM »
So, what's up with Moller stamping his initials on all of these antique guns? ::) Kind of combs my fur backwards.

Perhaps he fancied himself as the Kilroy of the late 20th Century. :D

Thankfully, Moller did not put his initials on the Hall's Rifle, which is actually a "Documented" piece.
 
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Re: ROCK ISLAND SEPT AUCTION POSTED RCA 49 DICKERT RIFLE
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2021, 10:09:07 PM »
I think this topic has run it's useful course. I am locking it.
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