Author Topic: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN  (Read 2657 times)

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"We are not about to send American Boys 9 to 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian Boys ought to be doing for themselves."
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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2021, 03:46:02 PM »
I think the rifle with the strap was the real jewel there, and judging by the realized prices, it looks like others thought likewise.  Really great piece.
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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2021, 03:58:38 PM »
I'm too lazy to click on the link. ???
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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2021, 07:07:02 PM »
Yeah, clicking on those links is some rough work.  Whew!  I'm exhausted!  ::)

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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2021, 08:12:40 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL- Eric- broke me up!
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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2021, 05:11:39 AM »
What about the jacob metzgar???   I liked it the most.

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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2021, 05:01:50 PM »
It appears that the Metzger rifle passed. Anyone, correct me if I’m wrong

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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2021, 05:50:51 PM »
It appears that the Metzger rifle passed. Anyone, correct me if I’m wrong

I believe you are correct.
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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2021, 06:51:00 PM »
It appears that the Metzger rifle passed.

When is the service, and where is it being laid to rest?

Sorry, I'm on a roll now  ;D

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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2021, 08:14:01 PM »
It appears that the Metzger rifle passed.

When is the service, and where is it being laid to rest?

Sorry, I'm on a roll now  ;D

Sincererly, Curly Joe.

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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2021, 02:46:22 PM »
When is the service, and where is it being laid to rest?
Sorry, I'm on a roll now  ;D
Sincererly, Curly Joe.


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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2021, 03:46:20 PM »
 ;D ;D

I used to love those two!
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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2021, 05:16:18 PM »
;D ;D

I used to love those two!

They are my alter egos.
Also, I'm starting to look like the guy on the right, which is an improvement!
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Re: MORPHY REALIZED PRICES REV WAR RIFLE, DICKERT RIFLE & RUPP SIGN
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2021, 06:32:41 PM »
Eric,

I completely agree with you about the Myers' sale rifle with the linen strap.  It was made by Philip Shatz (born 1738; died 1793) of Shepherdstown, VA (new WV.) There is an earlier, pre-war rifle signed by him that has several important identical features. And yes, the patchbox shows Reading influence and it is  quite possible he came from that region. He was first in Frederick Co., VA, in 1756.  He is not the Philip Sheetz that Shumway reported apprenticed to George Ungerfor (sp?) in Hanover.  Philip Shatz was already working in Frederick Co, VA, when that man (Sheetz) was apprenticed.  The one Shumway reports may be the same man who was in the Reading area on the committee to confiscate firearms from non-Associators in the early part of the Revolution.  This Shatz rifle (Morphy sale) was intentionally made as a carbine for a mounted rifle company.  In the near future, I will be writing an extensive article about it and the signed companion longrifle that is in a duke's collection in England.

A very good friend of mine purchased the rifle at Morphy's and I was there with him studying it. Incidentally, another friend of mine purchased the second Honaker rifle from Rock Island a few weeks ago. At the VA show I plan to exhibit the two Honakers--the 1771 brass barrel rifle and the ex-Bryan collection example that was sold at Rock Island. 

I hope you can make it, and look forward to seeing you there.

Sincerely,

WBG

PS: Since we last talked, I have located three iron trigger guards that match the form of the guards on Hans Jacob Honaker's rifles.  One was on a composite TN rifle. Two others    are on mid-19th-century composite rifles that were stocked in Hampshire Co., WV. 

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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2021, 01:21:43 PM »
Sounds like very interesting information Wallace!  It's very good to see you post here; you should do it more often.

Definitely will look forward to an article concerning this particular rifle and any other(s) associated with it.

On the subject of the Honaker-style guards in iron:  are you indicating that these are 19th century guards on 19th century pieces, or since you mention composite rifles, are you indicating that they are recycled usage on later rifles?
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