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OLD KILLDEER RETURNS?
« on: October 09, 2021, 07:10:46 PM »
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"We are not about to send American Boys 9 to 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian Boys ought to be doing for themselves."
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Re: OLD KILLDEER RETURNS?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2021, 07:40:47 PM »
I don’t recall it being for sake this year but could be.
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2021, 08:12:41 PM »
Didn't we just deal with this thing a couple of months ago?
https://poulinantiques.hibid.com/lot/102510402/-old-killdeer--famous-golden-age-wolfgang?q=FLINTLOCK&cpage=2
We did beginning on Aug 27th. The rifle was featured in Poulin's Highlights. I started it!!!!


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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2021, 08:32:51 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2021, 10:20:48 PM »
Dillon’s ole “Killdeer” is for sale again. This rare photo seen in my recent Haga monograph is of Capt. John Dillon holding what appears to be old “Killdeer”. The rifle is clearly a Reading style rifle of the kind we would attribute to Wolfgang Haga today.
Curiously, Dillon never mentions Haga in his book, "The Kentucky Rifle", although he shows a number of Haga-like rifles. The caption on the back of the photo is: "A famous shooter with a famous rifle. Captain John G. Dillon, of Media, Pa. brought his famous old Kentucky rifle to a rifle shoot at Camp Perry, Ohio. The rifle was made in 1754". Apparently, the photo not in his book was a press photo.
In his book, Dillon starts his caption for “Old Killdeer” on plate 78 with: "Apparently the work of Adam Smith, about 1760". In the back of his book in the gunsmiths' listings, he lists Adam Smith of Cincinnati, O. "who made handsome rifles but never marked his name". So how did Dillon determine Smith made Old killdeer? Have you seen any Reading gun attributed to any Adam Smith?
    By the way, if you have Shumway’s reprint of the original 1924 Dillon book, put it aside and buy the original 1924 book if you want to see clear photos of the guns. Plus you get the list of gunsmiths and a nice section on Kentucky pistols at the back which Shumway did not include in his badly printed editions. Even with the many outdated thoughts in Dillon, it is still a worthwhile primer.
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Re: OLD KILLDEER RETURNS?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2021, 10:47:23 PM »
That is a great photo Pat, thanks for sharing it with us. The Captain looks like he means business with that rifle. I like his old Campaign Hat!
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2021, 05:38:34 AM »
By the way, if you have Shumway’s reprint of the original 1924 Dillon book, put it aside and buy the original 1924 book if you want to see clear photos of the guns. Plus you get the list of gunsmiths and a nice section on Kentucky pistols at the back which Shumway did not include in his badly printed editions. Even with the many outdated thoughts in Dillon, it is still a worthwhile primer.

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Robert Weil sent me an original edition a number of years ago and I was amazed at how much more clear the admittedly small photos actually are in comparison to the reprints.  The book is still worthwhile if for no other reason than photos of many rifles which have apparently vanished since 1924, probably stored away in collections where they've been unseen for many, many years.  What is very interesting, however, is that in the past few years, I've begin to see some of them turn up at auctions where modern photography can finally do them justice.

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Re: OLD KILLDEER RETURNS?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2021, 04:49:28 PM »
Dillon’s ole “Killdeer” is for sale again. This rare photo seen in my recent Haga monograph is of Capt. John Dillon holding what appears to be old “Killdeer”. The rifle is clearly a Reading style rifle of the kind we would attribute to Wolfgang Haga today.

Pat,
Is your Haga monograph available for sale? I look on AMAZON but could not find it.
Thanks,
Kent
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Re: OLD KILLDEER RETURNS?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2021, 05:16:25 PM »
Dillon’s ole “Killdeer” is for sale again. This rare photo seen in my recent Haga monograph is of Capt. John Dillon holding what appears to be old “Killdeer”. The rifle is clearly a Reading style rifle of the kind we would attribute to Wolfgang Haga today.

Pat,
Is your Haga monograph available for sale? I look on AMAZON but could not find it.
Thanks,
Kent

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2021, 11:21:26 PM »
Kent: Easiest place to order is probably EBay -under Kentucky Rifle or simply Haga. Or send $20.00 (includes shipping) via PayPal my email: hornarms@outlook.com
Thanks for your interest and thanks, Scott.
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