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Offline UncleBob

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Transitional Kentucky Rifle in Auction?
« on: December 21, 2021, 12:37:24 AM »

 Hope it's ok to post this link, but I was intrigued by the origins of this gun; only the one photo, I'm afraid. Any ideas??
 https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=S0122+++2043A&refno=++166520&saletype=

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Re: Transitional Kentucky Rifle in Auction?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2021, 02:19:43 AM »
Interesting gun; wish there were more pictures and details. Lock looks to be 1800 or later to me but thatís mostly a feeling.
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Re: Transitional Kentucky Rifle in Auction?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2021, 03:01:24 AM »
I would concur with Rich. It is missing a big chunk of wood between the lock and breech
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Re: Transitional Kentucky Rifle in Auction?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2021, 03:12:20 AM »
Made in England...1780-90. Relocked some time after 1810-ish. Has nothing to do with colonial America.
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Re: Transitional Kentucky Rifle in Auction?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2021, 04:29:19 AM »
Made in England...1780-90. Relocked some time after 1810-ish. Has nothing to do with colonial America.

I would agree with Mike.

The buttstock with the handrail going deep into the butt and the very pronounced and thin looking comb is very British. It sure as $#*! is not a Kentucky.
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Re: Transitional Kentucky Rifle in Auction?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2022, 08:48:18 PM »
 Some more photos of this rifle. To me it looks like a 1730-50 English Fowler, with a replacement lock and a re-barrel to a rifle. Any thoughts?










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Re: Transitional Kentucky Rifle in Auction?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2022, 08:16:29 PM »
Some more photos of this rifle. To me it looks like a 1730-50 English Fowler, with a replacement lock and a re-barrel to a rifle. Any thoughts?

Some of the parts resemble ca. 1790s Ketland export fowler bits to me. YMMV.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2022, 08:19:47 PM by backsplash75 »

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Re: Transitional Kentucky Rifle in Auction?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2022, 04:55:28 AM »
I think it was a fairly good rifle c.1760-1780 that has had both the lock and the sideplate replaced ó neither of which fit anywhere near well enough to be original English work. the Ashmore lock is a Birmingham product from the early 19th century.

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Re: Transitional Kentucky Rifle in Auction?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2022, 05:08:36 PM »
Looks like one George Killen cobbled together before ANY interest in muzzleloaders surfaced.He passed in January of 1977 at age 89.
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Re: Transitional Kentucky Rifle in Auction?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2022, 10:29:33 PM »
 
    Ok Guys, thanks for all your input, I wasn't sure exactly what it was and thought it might have been something interesting, but It doesn't seem to be!  It didn't sell at the Auction and is now for sale by the Auction house.