Does anyone recognize this pre-carve stock work?

[Ky-Flinter]

I'm hoping someone recognizes the work on this stock.  It looks like production work with those "knobs" for clamping.  I need to identify what lock it is inletted for.  The lock inlet is 4-7/16" long and just a hair over 15/16" at the widest point.  The stock is inlet for a 32" barrel, tapered from 1-1/8" at the breech to 1" at the muzzle.  Any ideas?  Thanks.

[skullcap]

Could you not use tracks catalog to compare lock pictures to your inlet

[David Rase]

It has been a while, 50 years, but if my memory serves me, Sharon used to have the "knobs" on their stocks.  But then again, I could be wrong.
David

[ScottH]

Most "Hawken" style locks seem to be 4 7/8" long. R E Davis for instance. Quite a bit longer than 4 7/16" that you listed.

[FALout]

I don’t remember Pecatonica having those “knobs”.  Is the stock an old one?  I can see someone having them to hold the stock for duplicating, but can’t say I’ve ever seen that before

[Bob Roller]

Might be for one of my locks based on the Hawken Shop plate of the 1970's or possibly Al Schilliger's.
The current  Davis is the former Ron Long lock.
Bob Roller

[tecum-tha]

I don't think it is a Sharon. I have an unfinished Sharon pre-carve and it does not show any of these knobs. It also is for a parallel barrel.
Maybe a Bridger Hawken with the tapered barrel inlet.
Hawken Shop another possibility.  Either a Davis or L&R lock would probably fit. I need to check tonight if a Ron Long Lock (now Davis as Bob said earlier) or the L&R are distinctively different in size. 

[mountainman70]

Ron, I measured a Long hawken lock I have it is 1" wide x 4 7/8 long.
I also measured a Cherry Corners Hawken lock 1 1/16 wide x 4 13/16 long.
I have seen these knobs on old stocks but dont know any more.
Hope you are doing well. Dave F

[tecum-tha]

I measured an L&R from a Sharon and it is 4.817" long and a little over an inch tall.
The Ron Long Lock on the other Hawken is slightly shorter, about 4.78" long, but the lock plate is less than 15/16" tall.
Overall, the locks are pretty similar on the internals.
Both of my locks are from the 70ies, early 1980ies.
I would check how tall the lock mortise is.

[rsells]

Ky-Flinter,
Bob is correct in my opinion.  I have a stock that was made by the Hawken shop back when Art owned it.  It has the tabs on the stock to help while building the rifle.  My stock was inlet for the lock plate that Art used with Long or Shillinger internals.  I decided to make a pattern to use to have stocks cut, and I inlet and bedded one of the Davis / Long locks.   I also used one of the breech / tangs and a Davis triggers I got from Track and  bedded them in the stock for a pattern.  I still have a couple of Art's lock plates in the shop somewhere.  I wanted to have a quality lock that was available today for any projects.  I have yet to use the pattern to have any stocks cut.  My stock has some season cracks here and there now.  I can't make myself trash the stock.  I tried to purchase component parts from the new Hawken shop to use with the stock in the beginning, but they would not sell individual parts.  You might check with them to see if it is one of their earlier stocks and see if you can get the correct parts.  The front portion of the lock plate inlet on your stock looks more narrow than on mine, so they may have changed their pattern sometime in the past.
                                                                                                 Roger
                                                                             

[utseabee]

Ky-Flinter,
Bob is correct in my opinion.  I have a stock that was made by the Hawken shop back when Art owned it.  It has the tabs on the stock to help while building the rifle.  My stock was inlet for the lock plate that Art used with Long or Shillinger internals.  I decided to make a pattern to use to have stocks cut, and I inlet and bedded one of the Davis / Long locks.   I also used one of the breech / tangs and a Davis triggers I got from Track and  bedded them in the stock for a pattern.  I still have a couple of Art's lock plates in the shop somewhere.  I wanted to have a quality lock that was available today for any projects.  I have yet to use the pattern to have any stocks cut.  My stock has some season cracks here and there now.  I can't make myself trash the stock.  I tried to purchase component parts from the new Hawken shop to use with the stock in the beginning, but they would not sell individual parts.  You might check with them to see if it is one of their earlier stocks and see if you can get the correct parts.  The front portion of the lock plate inlet on your stock looks more narrow than on mine, so they may have changed their pattern sometime in the past.
                                                                                                 Roger
                                                                             

I agree with Roger. I have a friend who has an old stock from the Hawken shop that looks just like the stock pictured.

[Ky-Flinter]

Thanks all for the replies.  Very helpful.

Skullcap, yes and I will, but I was hoping someone would say "Oh yeah, I remember those, it's a....."

Yes, the stock is an older one.  The usual "Hawken" locks are larger.  A Chambers Mountain caplock and similar L&R cover the whole inlet and could be fitted.  A Chambers late Ketland could be fitted too.  Hmmm.....

Bob, Roger and UT, thanks for the tip on the Hawken Shop.  I will follow up.

Thanks again everyone.

[Dphariss]

The lock inlet is about  .020-.040 undersized. I have a Schillinger lock out in the shop. Want to make sure I am actually over this crud before going outside much. But think its about 1” wide.
Looks like a good stock for a Bridger Hawken build.
Is the barrel channel straight or tapered? I think that the stocks for this era Hawken that were meant to the decent copies were 1 1/8 breech and about 1” muzzle. TOW has such a barrel in stock right now.

[Ky-Flinter]

Thanks Dan,

The barrel channel is 16" long and is tapered, 1-1/8" at the breech and 1-1/16 at the end of the stock, so a 32" barrel would be tapered 1-1/8" to 1" at the muzzle.

[utseabee]

Thanks all for the replies.  Very helpful.

Skullcap, yes and I will, but I was hoping someone would say "Oh yeah, I remember those, it's a....."

Yes, the stock is an older one.  The usual "Hawken" locks are larger.  A Chambers Mountain caplock and similar L&R cover the whole inlet and could be fitted.  A Chambers late Ketland could be fitted too.  Hmmm.....

Bob, Roger and UT, thanks for the tip on the Hawken Shop.  I will follow up.

Thanks again everyone.

I would bet one of the Hawken shop locks would fit the inletting.

[Bob Roller]

When I made the first locks for Art Resell using his plates and hammers I was surprised at how small they were.
I think the largest ones I made were with the Wm.Morgan plate and hammer that I got from Jerry Devaudreuil
who recently passed away was a J&S set with name and engraving cast into it.There was also a plate and hammer from
the Carson Hawken and I made a lot of them and triggers as well.Another two items from Jerry Devaudreuil;These came
from Texas as did the J&S set.A man,Curt Pearson was responsible for the Carson in the beginning.I THINK William Morgan was
the man who came up with the others.I made a number that used Ron Long's plate and hammer,about 20 (maybe).I remember
we got into a trade agreement of some kind but don't recall the details.There are many more that I made the plate for and used the Davis hammer.
      This has been a good run for me beginning in 1967 (I think) and lasting until March of 2019 when I made my last Hawken lock using the Morgan J&S parts (plate and Hammer)I "improved"it by making a copy of a "3 pin"Stanton lock mechanism for it.Not traditional but very fast and smooth.
      Returning again to Jerry Devaudreuil,he had a big variety of moulds for muzzle loaders and others as well and I hope they don't end up in a land fill someplace.
Bob Roller