Author Topic: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern  (Read 1390 times)

Offline Shopdog

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 147
53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« on: January 16, 2022, 09:54:39 PM »
For you viewing pleasure:  I was asked to look at this barrel by the Thomasville, GA Historical Museum.  Alas, it is in relic condition and the provenance is sketchy.  All we know is it was found in a mid-19th century cabin that was moved to the Museum grounds in the 1970's.  The cabin was from southern GA.  The barrel was "leaning behind a door" in the cabin but that is all they know.  It may have come with the cabin or someone placed it there after the cabin was moved.  Whatever the case the barrel was once part of a really long, longrifle!  It appears to be in its original unaltered state with no sign that it was cut down, converted, etc. but as the pictures show it is heavily oxidized, bent, and notched near the muzzle all of which suggests burial in the ground and likely getting dug up by a plow.  There were 4 dovetailed underlugs (one missing), a silver front sight (rear sight missing) and a drum (nipple missing).  The tang is broken off at the tang screw hole so no idea how long the complete tang was.  It appears to be hammer forged and is fully octagonal.  What sets it apart and made me want to share it with ya'll is the length:  53" from muzzle to breech!  It has a graceful swamped profile 1.024" at breech, .848" at waist, and .916" at muzzle.  Hard to tell what original caliber was - .45 to .50 most likely.  There is a large amount of wear at the muzzle and very little rifling can still be discerned.  I can find no evidence of a signature and such due to the heavy pitting.  I would appreciate any input or insight from the experts.  I would say it likely southern due to the length but that may be assuming way too much.  I might have to get up with Ed Rayl and see if he would replicate it...




Joe Davis
“We live in a bloody swamp! We need all the land we can get!

Offline Ky-Flinter

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7362
  • Born in Kentucke, just 250 years late
Re: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2022, 10:21:27 PM »
Very cool!  No idea where it's from.  Thanks for showing it.

Ron
Ron Winfield

Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun. -Nate McKenzie

Offline Ezra

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1578
Re: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2022, 11:26:41 PM »
Is it beyond saving?  Perhaps if it does go to Ed Rayle he can tell you.

Ez
"Rules are for the obedience of fools and guidance of wise men"

Offline Hlbly

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 255
Re: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2022, 09:35:40 PM »
I had an Alfred Bearden rifle that had a barrel that length.

Offline Cades Cove Fiddler

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1708
Re: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2022, 06:42:46 PM »
 :o :o.. I would like to see a photo of the front sight,.. !!!

Offline JTR

  • member 2
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 4223
Re: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2022, 07:38:32 PM »
A little restoration, and you'll have a nice gun there!
 ;D ;D
John Robbins

Offline Robert Wolfe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1274
  • Great X Grandpa
Re: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2022, 08:26:00 PM »
A little restoration, and you'll have a nice gun there!
 ;D ;D

Exactly!
Robert Wolfe
Northern Indiana

Offline Shopdog

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 147
Re: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2022, 08:43:39 PM »
:o :o.. I would like to see a photo of the front sight,.. !!!
Here ya go Dana -
The base has some punch marks perhaps to secure in the dovetail but there are two decorative incised lines at the edges.  The base looks to be brass.  The sight blade is silver - bent all catawampus.  The overview pic shows the relation of the sight to the muzzle.  You can see the plow(?) damage to the muzzle.  I'd love to have seen this rifle in it's prime.
Joe




Joe Davis
“We live in a bloody swamp! We need all the land we can get!

Offline rich pierce

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 18924
Re: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2022, 08:50:26 PM »
It’s a curiosity and very cool, but I’d be tempted to send it out for drilling, reaming, and re-rifling. After taking an inch or so off both ends you’ve still got 50”.
Andover, Vermont

Offline Daryl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15075
Re: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2022, 01:51:31 AM »
Rich - would you straighten it first?
Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a spaniel without ears" King George V

Offline rich pierce

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 18924
Re: 53" long rilfe barrel relic condition possibly Southern
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2022, 03:06:20 AM »
Rich - would you straighten it first?
Just a mite!
I had a new custom smoothbore barrel sent to me poorly packed and pretty crooked. A member of our shooting club straightened it in about 5 minutes. I did don’t have the sand to do it myself.

I just think it would be a heck of a story. And at a certain age, story is what matters!
Andover, Vermont