Author Topic: Not Quite HC (Read 4715 times)

alacran · « **Reply #25 on:** January 27, 2022, 04:09:52 PM »

Daryl, I got out one of the Loonies I have. and you are correct as far as the shape of the head. But apparently this one was run over by a pickup truck.
LOL!

Daryl · « **Reply #26 on:** January 27, 2022, 08:30:53 PM »

That would do it.

hanshi · « **Reply #27 on:** January 27, 2022, 09:20:49 PM »

I just don't know. If I'd built the rifle I don't think I would have built it.

little joe · « **Reply #28 on:** January 27, 2022, 11:39:32 PM »

Nice workmanship and excuse me to go puke.

Steeltrap · « **Reply #29 on:** January 28, 2022, 12:04:21 AM »

Being "exceptionally HC" isn't always being correct. The flint and percussion rifles back in the day were used as is, and some were modified for personal taste.....just like modern rifles have been in the 1900's.

I get the HC correctness of reproduction rifles and pistols, but OTOH, they are reproductions in the end.

Clark Badgett · « **Reply #30 on:** January 28, 2022, 01:50:14 AM »

Quote from: Steeltrap on January 28, 2022, 12:04:21 AM

Being "exceptionally HC" isn't always being correct. The flint and percussion rifles back in the day were used as is, and some were modified for personal taste.....just like modern rifles have been in the 1900's.

I get the HC correctness of reproduction rifles and pistols, but OTOH, they are reproductions in the end.

"Exceptionally HC" IS always being correct. It means that it can be proven and not merely assumed. Modifications done as they were then are exceptionally HC.

smart dog · « **Reply #31 on:** January 28, 2022, 03:27:43 AM »

Quote from: bluenoser on January 26, 2022, 04:31:30 PM

smart dog
That is an interesting observation worthy of some thought. I cannot quite picture what it might look like. Engraving is beyond my scope of ability and would have to be done before the CCH.

Hi Bluenoser,
There are those who see and those who don't.

dave

bluenoser · « **Reply #32 on:** January 28, 2022, 05:19:06 AM »

MAN …. It's a good thing I have a thick skin! The funny thing is – I agree with most of what has been said about this side plate. What I adamantly disagree with is the suggestion the person who owns this rifle does not have the right to have the build personalized in such a trivial manner, or that I should have declined to honor his request. Do I like it? Not in the least. Will I endeavor to give him a well-built and slightly personalized rifle? Absolutely and without reservation. After all – it’s just a somewhat (OK–very) unconventional sideplate guys.

Craig Wilcox · « **Reply #33 on:** January 28, 2022, 05:44:23 AM »

The man who pays the piper gets to call the tunes. The portrayal of Nova Scotia is apparently of importance to the gent paying for the work, and it is he who will be carrying the piece, and displaying it in his home.

But personally, I do not want a side plate shaped like the island of Luzon where I spent several formative years. So I won't pay anyone to make one for me. Y'all can relax now!

Clark Badgett · « **Reply #34 on:** January 28, 2022, 06:34:46 AM »

Maybe I’ll make a Kentucky shaped side plate….nah.

DavidC · « **Reply #35 on:** January 28, 2022, 02:26:32 PM »

People here are acting like the guy wanted a carbon fiber patch of for weight reduction and an aluminum cored skeletonized stock.

I couldn't disagree more with Mike brook's view. It's an unusual one off with one (as far as we can see) feature that deviates. If I could find proof that a single gun, perhaps the only example ever made over 300 years, was made in 1793 does that suddenly make this ok?

Old Time Hunter · « **Reply #36 on:** January 28, 2022, 06:37:58 PM »

The young man that told me about this site( employee at a gun shop in Nashville) , stated that there were many very adamant historical "purists" on this site ! Please correct me if I am wrong but this thread is about a Kibler Longrifles kit gun ? Surely to God , you are not giving this man flak about his putting a non historically correct piece on a modern , machine made rifle . This verges on lunacy ! The man bought the kit and payed to have it built the way he wanted it ! I visited Mr Kiblers web site and was quite impressed with what he is capable of doing with his machines! Not my cup of tea , I prefer old guns but, he definitely appears to be doing well!

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #37 on:** January 28, 2022, 07:35:14 PM »

Quote from: DavidC on January 28, 2022, 02:26:32 PM

People here are acting like the guy wanted a carbon fiber patch of for weight reduction and an aluminum cored skeletonized stock.

I couldn't disagree more with Mike brook's view. It's an unusual one off with one (as far as we can see) feature that deviates. If I could find proof that a single gun, perhaps the only example ever made over 300 years, was made in 1793 does that suddenly make this ok?

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It's an unusual one off with one (as far as we can see) feature that deviates. If I could find proof that a single gun, perhaps the only example ever made over 300 years, was made in 1793 does that suddenly make this ok?

Nope
No one is allowed to disagree with me. I'm always right.

Steeltrap · « **Reply #38 on:** January 28, 2022, 08:41:17 PM »

Mike's comment is LOL and I believe a "tounge in cheek" comment. I though it was funny!!

I have a rifle and pistol that I've built and I don't have any carvings or inlays in the rifle. But, the rifle it's mine...I think it looks good and better yet.....it shoots excellent patterns out to 100 yards and I've taken one nice fat doe with it.

A very good friend of mine passed away this summer. He was a great guy and a great friend. He had made many, many out west trips for elk and had a good collection of the ivory teeth. Before he passed he gave me a set of these Ivories. I have cut off the tooth "root" and I'm taking them to a local jeweler to have a brass bezel put around them.

Once that's done they are going to get inlayed into the stock. He and I were avid flintlock hunters, and I just think every time I go flintlock hunting, a tiny piece of his memory will always be with me.

HC? Maybe not. But who's to say firearm owners of old didn't do such things. And besides, it's a reproduction...not an original.

DavidC · « **Reply #39 on:** January 28, 2022, 09:13:42 PM »

I'm very tempted to snag a cheapo jukar some local antique stores have just to bubba the $&!+ Out of it and post it with the title "Mike Brooks Inspired Sonoma County Rifle".

Bill Maclellan · « **Reply #40 on:** January 29, 2022, 02:06:51 AM »

I absolutely love the gun. You are doing a great job. I'm sure people have done things over the years that mark these rifles as their own in some form or other, notched them to mark a deer kill or some form of embellishment to honor a friend or loved one. I really dought this will ruin your reputation as a gun builder, it sure got my attention to your level of craftsmanship. Just ducky so to say.
Very honored owner of Donald the gun.

bluenoser · « **Reply #41 on:** January 29, 2022, 04:35:36 AM »

Thanks Bill
Your opinion is the only one that really matters.

HighUintas · « **Reply #42 on:** January 29, 2022, 07:13:38 AM »

Good on you for making a customer happy and very beautiful work.

This gives me the idea that I need to have a side plate in the shape of the Uintas mountain range, engraved to show all the drainages, peaks, and as many features as one could put on there. Maybe before I'm dead I'll be able to do it

LynnC · « **Reply #43 on:** January 30, 2022, 10:48:47 AM »

Perhaps a more conventional side plate with a map of NS engraved on it would have been a good compromise. BTW the inletting is excellent! Just my 2 cents 😉

bluenoser · « **Reply #44 on:** January 31, 2022, 03:14:35 AM »

That is a good suggestion and I agree it probably would have been a good compromise. However, engraving is not one of my skill sets and we would still have had what is, in my opinion, a quite large side plate on an SMR. Also, that is not what the owner requested, but he might have gone for it, had I been in a position to offer the alternative.

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #45 on:** January 31, 2022, 05:59:37 PM »

How about a map drawn on a piece of paper, rolled up and stored in the patch box??

oldtravler61 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 31, 2022, 06:19:23 PM »

We all got to remember. That a whole lot of guns went to the scrap heap for the war drive.
What we have to admire are the left overs. That being said.
But if your customer wants it. IT'S his money an you are being paid to DO WHAT he wants. Doesn't matter 2 cents what we think.! Good, bad or otherwise. Oldtravler

Gaeckle · « **Reply #47 on:** January 31, 2022, 06:51:14 PM »

I've been in that situation where a customer wants something funky. My solution was to be traditional, then put what he wanted on something else and tie the two together as a set. You could have done a traditional sideplate then put the home province on a horn, then he has a map horn to go along with the rifle.
If you engrave, or find someone to do it, it may make sense as to what it is. Otherwise it reads as an unrecognizable blob

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #48 on:** January 31, 2022, 07:13:03 PM »

Quote from: oldtravler61 on January 31, 2022, 06:19:23 PM

We all got to remember. That a whole lot of guns went to the scrap heap for the war drive.
What we have to admire are the left overs. That being said.
But if your customer wants it. IT'S his money an you are being paid to DO WHAT he wants. Doesn't matter 2 cents what we think.! Good, bad or otherwise. Oldtravler

My customers don't pay me to do what THEY want. They pay me to do what I want. You get your best gun that way.

bluenoser · « **Reply #49 on:** January 31, 2022, 09:29:13 PM »

As I had previously mentioned, this is not a paying job. My labor is a gift to a good friend.
Gaeckle
PLEASE don't be giving him any ideas about a horn

and I believe just about everyone north of the 49th parallel would recognize it as NS.
Mike
All I can say is - you travel your road and I will travel mine.

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Author Topic: Not Quite HC (Read 4715 times)