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Offline PAFlinter

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Lock prices
« on: February 02, 2022, 03:08:55 AM »
Well...............Looks like a Chambers lock is 250.00 now.

IDK if it's even worth it anymore.

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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2022, 03:34:48 AM »
That is not all that is gonna jump in price 🙄 And they really have no choice   🤷🏻

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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2022, 03:51:29 AM »
Look at how long it takes to assemble a lock to the level of quality that we all know what to expect. The professional who assembled that lock is faced with the same new inflation that we all have deal with. If anyone at Chambers puts out a crappy lock in order to keep it cheap then they won’t last long. Their bread and butter is quality.
 So the locks go up $50 bucks. That’s a meal for 3 with the clown 🤡!
 We can and will afford it.
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2022, 04:11:01 AM »
I've made my own locks from scratch.  $250 is a bargain !!!!! (And the Chamber's locks are a heck of a lot better than mine were !!!)
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2022, 04:20:12 AM »
An additional $50. against the price of a whole gun is not so bad when you consider the functionality of the lock that makes the gun.

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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2022, 04:21:08 AM »
Hi Guys,
Higher prices for locks is just one of many things that have gone up and as Keith said they have no choice. I own a manufacturing company and everything we purchase has gone up some things 100 to 200% and we have no choice but to pay those prices and in turn stay in business pass those increased expenses on to the customers. We have no choice as I am sure Chambers has no choice either.
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2022, 04:33:52 AM »
I’m glad I’ve got a box of locks and another box of cast lock parts sets. But I agree that it’s been amazing that we’ve had things like this made for the prices we’ve become used to. At the same time, it doesn’t feel like shining times.

I’ve got far more than I ever imagined possible when I got into this hobby. I remember scrimping to get the money for parts for my first gun.
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2022, 04:46:07 AM »
Just a shock, 60.00 increase.  How much metal actually goes into it.  I know it's very labor intensive to scratch build one, but........60.00 is a lot.  We can now get cnc machined locks from Kibler for 285 and the two offerings are far superior IMO.   Just saying,  250.00 is a lot for a cast product.

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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2022, 04:48:27 AM »
Last time I checked $250.00 was less than $285.00. Quality is subjective. I’ll respect that part. It’s more than the price of metal. It’s the cost of quality castings. Muzzle loading parts are small orders with the folks who still do good casting. We should be happy that they are even doing the work. It’s a miracle that they can find the help. Their costs are also reflective of the inflation that has been put upon all of us during the last 12 months and 10 days. I don’t want to go political here but these are the things all of us are going to have to deal with. We just need to keep on keeping on.
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2022, 05:01:22 AM »
I get it, just sucks. I got into this because it was reasonably cheaper than a modern whatever.  Cheap to shoot, fun, and great therapy making a longrifle.  Powder is up, parts are up, $#*!, my heating oil went up .65 a gallon since December 14th when I got the last delivery.   Lock 250, barrel 285, cheap wood, 100, barrel inlet/rr hole 150, misc 100, add some shipping and tax now and it's not a bargain anymore. I'm just a miserable old *** I guess!  Used to be able to make a schimmel for 500!

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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2022, 05:11:29 AM »
I get it, just sucks. I got into this because it was reasonably cheaper than a modern whatever.  Cheap to shoot, fun, and great therapy making a longrifle.  Powder is up, parts are up, $#*!, my heating oil went up .65 a gallon since December 14th when I got the last delivery.   Lock 250, barrel 285, cheap wood, 100, barrel inlet/rr hole 150, misc 100, add some shipping and tax now and it's not a bargain anymore. I'm just a miserable old *** I guess!  Used to be able to make a schimmel for 500!

I’m with you brother! BUT, It’s still worth every penny. Keep doing good work!!!!
I can remember when you could buy a Herschel House gun for $300.00.
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2022, 05:30:27 AM »
I ain't worried


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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2022, 05:40:06 AM »
So, Mike whatcha gona do next year???
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2022, 06:14:40 AM »
I remember when Siler Flintlocks were $50 each back in the 80s, and they were high quality locks. I would usually buy 5 at a time. Higher prices are a sign of the times. I have no problem paying these higher prices for a high-quality lock, because nothing is more frustrating than an unreliable flintlock.

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2022, 07:27:30 AM »
2004 Track catalog price for large Siler was 95.00

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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2022, 08:02:28 AM »
No wonder they're so expensive. Brooks has artificially driven up the price by hoarding them! :o

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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2022, 08:23:42 AM »
Locks aren't the only thing going to take a jump in prices.  Barrel prices are sure to follow.  I was over at Bobby Hoyt's last week to pick up a barrel and he took a delivery of bar stock.  He just stood there shaking his head looking at the invoice and said he'll have no choice but to pass along the price increases. 
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2022, 01:07:32 PM »
So, Mike whatcha gona do next year???
I only make 4 or 5 guns a year now
 Maybe less if the fishing is good
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2022, 01:10:16 PM »
No wonder they're so expensive. Brooks has artificially driven up the price by hoarding them! :o
My barrel corner is just as well stocked.
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2022, 02:23:41 PM »
I ain't worried



Looks like the much ballyhooed fishing retirement is fake news!
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2022, 03:11:06 PM »
"Just a shock, 60.00 increase.  How much metal actually goes into it.  I know it's very labor intensive to scratch build one, but........60.00 is a lot.  We can now get cnc machined locks from Kibler for 285 and the two offerings are far superior IMO.   Just saying,  250.00 is a lot for a cast product."

I hear you on the price increases PAFlinter.  I am feeling the money crunch too.  Not fun. 

You mentioned you got into this because it was cheap.  I am cautious about using that word "cheap".  Inexpensive holds a different meaning for me than cheap.  Cheap to me means junky and low cost.  Inexpensive can be good quality for low money.  On a $2,000, $3000 or $4,000 longrifle, I don't want "cheap" anywhere near it.  But then, this is probably what you were meaning too PAFlinter. 

To me, the barrel of a rifle is the heart, and the lock is the brain.  There is nothing more frustrating to me than a cheap lock.  Why own a gun that doesn't have a good brain?  I want the best I can get, and as a critical part of the rifle, it is of relatively modest cost. 

I would also caution that just because something is CNC machined, that doesn't necessarily make it better.  Let's use this example: Do you want an soft aluminum CNC machined lock or an investment cast steel lock that is not CNC machined?  Some of the strongest, toughest firearms in the world are built with investment cast parts.  Many of these are used as the basis for several thousand dollar custom firearms.  Steel casting does not mean low quality, in fact it can mean the reverse. 

I'd like to ask a very serious question of you: Have you compared a Chambers and a Kibler of the same model in your hand at the same time?  The comparison we made was a Chambers Round Faced and a Kibler Round Faced.  I sat down with a very respected 40-year maker of longrifles.   We both examined and operated both locks, and studied them in detail.  In the end, we both preferred the Chambers lock, and that was what was used on an important project.  One factor was we both felt the mainspring was spongier on the Kibler.  Not bad mind you, and I am not criticizing the Kibler lock.  The Kibler is a fine lock.  Just don't automatically assume a Kibler is better than a Chambers. 

I have kids in their 20s.  I keep hearing about the minimum wage needing to go up by 50%.  I try to tell them that will just jack up the price of everything. They don't seem to listen. 

I went to Chick-Fil-A the other day.  I used to get a meal package for something like $6.49.  Post-covid we are now looking at $9.50.  Everywhere I go I see signs saying "Help Wanted".  Lack of people working means businesses are having to spend more for good workers.

Enough of my talking for now.  This is just my opinion, and others may have a different one.   I do feel your pain PAFlinter.   Hang in there brother!   God Bless,   Marc


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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2022, 04:02:23 PM »
Lock prices have been cheap for a long time. If you don't think they are cheap then build your own. I can tell you if you don't have good equipment and some knowledge by the time you get through you will be glad to spend just $300 on a good lock. We can all remember the day when a complete set of parts cost $350 dollars, 40 years ago. Well this is today, the price of gas has almost doubled since Brandon took over. Everything cost substantially more today than it did a year ago, how can you not expect the cost of parts not to follow.
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2022, 04:46:34 PM »
" How much steel is in a lock ? "   I ask you, " how much actual material is in a watch? " 
The material isn't always the ruling factor when it comes to pricing.  Quality control is expensive. Then there is the transportation involved throughout the whole process of acquiring parts, etc etc.   Fuel prices here have risen by 50% in the last short while.  I'm continually disappointed by the notion that muzzleloaders and their components should be cheap.  I didn't get into shooting flintlocks to save money. I did it because I love the sport and the history.  If you really want to shock your wallet, take up golf.

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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2022, 04:57:54 PM »
At one time and maybe today the lock HAD to be the cheapest thing about a muzzleloader.When I quoted $100 to make a lock the reply frequently was "$100 for a LOCK?"My reply was "The lock is free but the labor to make it is NOT".I have been out of the shop from 31 December until yesterday when I went in again and milled 6 Hawken trigger bars.I had spasms in my lower back and went to the house.When and if these triggers get done I will advertise them here.No more locks,that's for sure.Most locks made now are good,some better than others but they are usually purpose bought by style and there is a good variety available and quality does vary a bit.
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Re: Lock prices
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2022, 05:01:14 PM »
No question in my mind that Jim Chambers wouldn't raise the price if it wasn't necessary, always a quality reliable product you can count on. My problem is, being retired, my planed for income is not even close to keeping pace with the inflation rate of those things that are pretty much not optional, like food and fuel. Something has got to give.
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