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Offline Terry Cheek

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Using wax to finish a stock
« on: April 29, 2022, 07:53:13 PM »
I have read several comments regarding hand-rubbed wax for a stock finish. Common sense tells me it's just rubbed on and buffed off. Am I right? But does it get tacky during hot, humid weather?
I'm asking as I think ahead to finishing my Kibler SMR build.
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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2022, 08:07:18 PM »
My experience w/  only  a rubbed on wax finish is negative......as is also a lone BLO finish. W/ so many better permanent, penetrating  finishes available, why use either of these?.....Fred
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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2022, 08:48:36 PM »
Taylor's hawken has a BW finish and being 10 years old now and had lots of range and hunting use, is still in great shape.
This is the gun that received a crack through the breech and has been repaired - and shot just yesterday in the postal match.
So - I suspect the manner in which the BW "finish" is applied makes a HUGE difference.










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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2022, 08:48:57 PM »
My experience w/  only  a rubbed on wax finish is negative......as is also a lone BLO finish. W/ so many better permanent, penetrating  finishes available, why use either of these?.....Fred

I have bought Permalyn sealer from Jim and plan on using this based on his videos. I am not trying to be critical of any process, I was curious about the durability of wax in hot humid temps. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2022, 08:54:00 PM »
Taylor's hawken has a BW finish and being 10 years old now and had lots of range and hunting use, is still in great shape.
This is the gun that received a crack through the breech and has been repaired - and shot just yesterday in the postal match.
So - I suspect the manner in which the BW "finish" is applied makes a HUGE difference.








Makes sense. I'm not familiar with BW, I don't think?
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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2022, 09:01:05 PM »
IIRC, wasn't the BW and stock heated up so the wax would soak in better? :-\

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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2022, 09:03:44 PM »
I've finished 2 guns with beeswax. I used a heatgun to get the wood very warm then rubbed wax on, heat gun to melt it and drive it into the wood then buffed. I live in the deep south and have never had the guns feel tacky, even in summer.

 We've got around 20 hives at the farm. Never seen anything melting even in the hottest summers in a bee box. The bees know what they're doing....they wouldn't make wax that would melt and they lose all their honey.

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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2022, 09:07:14 PM »
I forgot to mention this.... bees wax doesn't melt til around 145 degrees.

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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2022, 09:27:59 PM »
I've finished 2 guns with beeswax. I used a heatgun to get the wood very warm then rubbed wax on, heat gun to melt it and drive it into the wood then buffed. I live in the deep south and have never had the guns feel tacky, even in summer.

 We've got around 20 hives at the farm. Never seen anything melting even in the hottest summers in a bee box. The bees know what they're doing....they wouldn't make wax that would melt and they lose all their honey.

I keep bees too. I have never seen the wax melt either but I have seen it get soft. I understand the process better now. Thanks for sharing the information. I appreciate it.
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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2022, 12:55:27 AM »
Same or similar to martin9, heating and reheating until the wood would absorb no more wax was Taylor's method, seems to me. The "finish" is easily 'repaired' if needed, but seems to me
it has never needed that.
It looked as good yesterday as in these pictures - maybe slightly darker.

edited - On second thought, today, it looks about identical.
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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2022, 07:29:15 AM »
Learned something new today! Thanks, fellas!
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2022, 10:48:55 AM »
Learned something new today! Thanks, fellas!

JeffG, that’s good. Jump in with comments if you have any. Brother I’m a work in progress, trying to learn something from everyone. Thank you for following.

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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2022, 02:50:30 PM »
I finished one gun with bees wax a couple years ago.  Walnut and heated with heat gun till it took no more. Rubbed back to the wood.  It has only been out a few times. Still looks good but i have not had it out enough to say one way or the other how good it is.
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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2022, 03:04:44 PM »
I have finished two stocks with bee's wax and like it. Heat drives the wax deeply into the wood. A final buffing and it's done.  I first learned of this finish from the writings of Gary Brumfield.  [ Flintriflesmith ]  I was really happy with it on a cherry stock.  The wax soaked right through into the barrel channel.

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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2022, 03:54:27 PM »
 A Read Through This and the rest of the thread may Be Of Some Help:

  https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=10554.msg100120#msg100120


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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2022, 04:01:16 PM »
A Read Through This and the rest of the thread may Be Of Some Help:

  https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=10554.msg100120#msg100120


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Thank you Tim I will read this.

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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2022, 04:07:57 PM »
I have seen a number of wood bows with a beeswax finish, on the first one I was surprised just how sooth and pretty the finish was, I was expecting a tacky finish but it was as smooth as silk.

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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2022, 04:42:34 PM »
Ive got bees wax finishes on these flintlocks pictured below. The wax holds up great. It can be reapplied as often as you want which on my guns I do once a year. The few times I have been caught out in the rain during hunting season they shed water just like a fresh waxed car. Works great on Maple as well as walnut. No sticky feeling. Feels like any other finish




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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2022, 04:55:13 PM »
Ive got bees wax finishes on these flintlocks pictured below. The wax holds up great. It can be reapplied as often as you want which on my guns I do once a year. The few times I have been caught out in the rain during hunting season they shed water just like a fresh waxed car. Works great on Maple as well as walnut. No sticky feeling. Feels like any other finish






Beautiful flintlocks thank you for sharing the information and pictures.

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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2022, 05:43:43 PM »
I have read several comments regarding hand-rubbed wax for a stock finish. Common sense tells me it's just rubbed on and buffed off. Am I right? But does it get tacky during hot, humid weather?
I'm asking as I think ahead to finishing my Kibler SMR build.

If you want a traditional finish wax is not it.
i made up a batch of Linseed oil varnish based on Eric Kettenburg’s formula that I really like (I did not use any alcohol to dissolve the resins. Used hot but not smoking hot REAL turpentine to dissolve them. Add slowly and stir until mixed. Then added reboiled with some added Japan Drier, couple of tablespoons to the gallon, and some calcium carbonate to kill the acids in the oil. Heat in a deep fat frier till it smokes. Add this to the hot, but not smoking, turp resin mix. I used I added enough oil to thicken the mix well. Sorry I did not measure. I used store bought boiled oil. Tried raw oil from the health food store and considered it a waste of time.
After it cooled I thought it was a little too turpentine so I reheated it to drive off more volatiles.
This results in something very much like if not identical to the brown varnish used back in the day.
I used food grade  Gum Benzoin and food grade rosin per Kettenburgs amounts.
Boiled linseed oil will work on its own but needs the be heat modified and is not nearly as water resistant as the varnish is.
Now if you don’t want to go to the trouble buy a quart of boiled LS oil. Buy a bottle of. Birchwood Casey Tru-Oil. Mix them 50-50 (I would heat the BLO with some calcium carbonate first but its not really necessary) this will soften the tru-oil, which is to hard and dries too fast making it very in appearance and water resistant like the old varnish.
If you want better penetration cut the tru-oil mix with a little real turpentine.
The varnish I made penetrates well and it heavy bodied enough to put a decent shine on maple in 3 coats or so. Seal coat needs to set 2-3 days then followup coats usually dry overnight. I then rub it out with heat modified  BLO and rottenstone. Then maybe a really thin coat of varnish. This BTW needs to be put on by hand or with a piece of lint free cloth, at least after the seal coat which I put on pretty heavy, let soak in reapply let soak then wipe off the excess. Subsequent coats need to be rubbed on and just enough to make the wood shine.
I have a friend who know beewax very well and would not use it as a stock finish. Its not. Its not really anymore water resistant the BLO both of which will turn white if wet enough.
The LSO varnish, shop made or the tru-oil mix, will also look better than the modern plastics and its a faster finish than modern “oil” stuff that is 60-90% solvent.
The other option is real shellac made from shellac flakes.
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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2022, 05:52:50 PM »
I have a question. Regarding linseed oil varnish, I read about it on 18th-century guns; how about 19th century? Is it a period-correct finish or appearance for the SMR?
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Re: Using wax to finish a stock
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2022, 11:02:24 PM »
If you want to avoid making your own, I have used Tried and True Oil varnish, and it works very well.