Author Topic: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube  (Read 1295 times)

Offline Tacitus

  • Starting Member
  • *
  • Posts: 15
Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« on: June 06, 2022, 03:16:35 AM »
Has anyone tried neetsfoot oil as a patch lube? Opinions or thoughts?

Online rich pierce

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 16851
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2022, 05:28:16 AM »
Has anyone tried neetsfoot oil as a patch lube? Opinions or thoughts?

Iím not an expert shooter but my understanding is that a good lube allows easier ramming, softens fouling if one shoots without wiping between shots, and contributes to consistent resistance of the patched ball upon ignition. If left in the bore for more than a few minutes, it should not promote rusting. Everything from spit to tallow to animal greases and synthetics can work well. From my understanding, consistency matters a great deal. Any of these lubes that can be applied consistently can give fine accuracy. Spit seems like it should set a pretty low bar but many excellent shooters use it exclusively. So, neetsfoot oil should work fine.
A search here for neetsfoot oil in the shooting section shows it works for some.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2022, 05:45:34 AM by rich pierce »
Andover, Vermont

Offline MuskratMike

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1724
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2022, 08:27:05 AM »
If using Neatsfoot oil make sure it is 100% pure Neatsfoot oil not a blend or compound. I used to use it solely as my only lube all year long for target, trail walks and hunting. A couple of years ago I tried mixing it 50/50 with TOTW mink oil. I found both to work equally well. As I bought 10 tins of mink and have a large supply of Neatsfoot oil I will continue to use the blend. The bonus of the pure Neatsfoot oil is it works great on any leather, so I annually treat my shooting bags, cows knees, and straps.
"Muskrat" Mike McGuire
Keep your eyes on the skyline, your flint sharp and powder dry.

Offline Marcruger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3368
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2022, 04:52:44 PM »
I go back to what Mad Monk (Bill Knight) told me, "Make sure whatever you use for lube can be removed with your cleaner of choice."

I learned that neither water nor windshield washer fluid cut graphite, which is a byproduct of all of our black powder these days. 

Mr. Flintlock lube will remove graphite, learned from Bill.  The original LVL did too, and Mr. Flintlock is very similar.  I use Mr Flintlock as my final cleaning each session. 

Mr. Flintlock and Hoppes Blackpowder Lube and Cleaner both are great lubes, the latter being REALLY slippery.  I wouldn't trade either for neetsfoot oil. 

I have never had a mind that says, "Hey, I wonder if I can use this for lube?"  I am an engineer, and learned from an engineer and professor, so I stick with the known.  I only change if something is proven better in my testing, and change one thing at a time.  I really enjoyed Mad Monk as he had a super inquisitive mind and vast experience with testing.  I learned a lot from him. 

You may have a lube you like.   For the sake of newcomers, I like to point out known and available products like Mr. Flintlock and Hoppes Black Powder Lube and Cleaner for wet lubing.  The Track 100% mink oil is a good lube for hunting and when the gun may stay loaded a while.  I also like to point out the The Minute-Men plain 100% canvas patching material is a no-lose proposition for a tough and reliable patching. 

I hope this helps someone.  God Bless,   Marc




Online smylee grouch

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6479
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2022, 05:49:34 PM »
I'm curious if that graphite left in the bore will hurt or affect much. I don't think it's corrosive. Can it build up to the point of affecting loading or accuracy?  :-\

Offline MuskratMike

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1724
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2022, 07:03:23 PM »
Tacitus:
I have great success with both Neatsfoot oil and TOTW mink, but take time and really read Marcruger's post. Marc is wise beyond his years (however many that may be). Find what works for you and stick with it. The "Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" is a recipe for frustration.
"Muskrat" Mike McGuire
Keep your eyes on the skyline, your flint sharp and powder dry.

Offline Daryl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12326
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2022, 11:07:51 PM »
I've used both, Neetsfoot Oil and Track's Mink Oil for hunting with my .69, as well as using both in the .36 for trail walks.
I find Mink oil to be slipperier(?) than  Neetsfoot Oil when loading in the .36, but did not notice this with the .69 rifle.
I don't think I would use any of the liquids like LHV or Mr. Flintlock for hunting. For that purpose, Neestfoot Oil and Track's
Mink Oil work just fine.
Accuracy wise, the slippery lubes like Mr. Flintock or LHV, for me gave identical accuracy to my normal water based lubes, if
I added an extra 5gr. 3F in the .36, 10gr. 3F or 2F in both the .40 and .45 rifles.
Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a spaniel without ears" King George V

Offline Scota4570

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1974
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2022, 11:16:01 PM »
I have used neetsfoot.  It works about like any other oily stuff.  The key is to not use so much as to make a slimy mess.

I have also use lots of other oils and greases.  For now I am sticking with beef tallow on rolled up strips of patch material.  IT is clean to use and mostly solid in my climate.  It melts in the bore upon firing.  I have it in the kitchen anyway. 

For load testing I use GI bore cleaner. 

Jojoba is supposed to be similar to whale oil.  Recently I tried Jojoba oil with a dash of anhydrous lanolin.     That was very slick.  It also got on my hands and ramrod.  IT did not shoot any better than other. Bear oil worked fine but had no magic.  Olive oil, crisco, vegetable oil, vaseline,  lanolin, deer tallow, mineral oil, bore butter and all other greases and oils work about the same for me. 

One thing that seems to have advantages is a soft BPCR type lube with soap in it.  I make up the lube, then add MOS instead of soap shavings.  IT come out like peanut butter.  For cap an ball revolvers, filling the base of a bullet or sabot it really helps.  The lube turns to liquid upon firing and coats the bore.  Loading is very easy and cleaning not needed for many shots from a loading perspective.

Offline Mike from OK

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1077
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2022, 01:49:56 AM »
I tested Dr. Jackson's pure NFO as a patch lube... Loading was very easy. Accuracy decreased though. Perhaps it was actually too slick.

Also... every time I fired the gun I got a faint whiff of steaks grilling. Kinda nice. Lol

Muskrat Mike's mix of NFO and Track's Mink tallow has worked pretty well for me... I didn't measure out a 50/50 mix. I just added NFO until I got a consistency I thought would work. Mine is in the neighborhood of petroleum jelly.

YMMV.

Mike

Offline AZshot

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 415
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2022, 03:15:51 AM »
I have used it as my only lube this go-round (I didn't shoot BM much for 15 years).  It seems to load fairly easy, but my cleaning (round bottom grooves) is very tedious.  The patches smell like BP, so I'm pretty sure it's not the oil.

Offline Darkhorse

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1558
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2022, 11:17:45 AM »
I use Mr. Flintlock's lube for all my practice and just general shooting. For my hunting I use what has worked for years. In my .54's I lube with Wonder Lube.
In my .40 I use Canola oil.
American horses of Arabian descent.

Offline Don Steele

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 615
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2022, 12:19:01 PM »
Unlike Marc and Mike....I'm a Chemist and I do enjoy "trying new stuff"....just because. I have used pure Neatsfoot oil. It loaded easy, no wiping between shots required, performance on targets was as good as any "decent lube". On the downside...of all the various products I've run through my rifles, ...Neatsfoot Oil is the only one ( so far...) that gave me a very noticeable crud ring, deep in my barrel, right about where the patched balls would rest. That was after 30 rds or so and I'm the first to admit I might very well have been using too much of it on my precut patches. Got the crud out and haven't messed with Neatsfoot Oil anymore.
Look at the world with a smilin' eye and laugh at the devil as his train rolls by...(Alison Krauss)

Offline Pukka Bundook

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2627
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2022, 03:14:16 PM »
Used it, but prefer deer tallow.

Offline Daryl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12326
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2022, 10:59:22 PM »
For hunting, I have used Crisco Oil, Vegetable Oil, Neestfoot Oil, Marmot Oil, Track's Mink Oil and Bear Grease.
I prefer'd the mink Oil and Marmot Oil, then Bear Grease, then Neetsfoot Oil.
The vegetable and Crisco did not work well at all. I felt they have too low a burning/flash point.
Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a spaniel without ears" King George V

Offline Dphariss

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9122
  • Kill a Commie for your Mommy
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2022, 05:45:30 AM »
I go back to what Mad Monk (Bill Knight) told me, "Make sure whatever you use for lube can be removed with your cleaner of choice."

I learned that neither water nor windshield washer fluid cut graphite, which is a byproduct of all of our black powder these days. 

Mr. Flintlock lube will remove graphite, learned from Bill.  The original LVL did too, and Mr. Flintlock is very similar.  I use Mr Flintlock as my final cleaning each session. 

Mr. Flintlock and Hoppes Blackpowder Lube and Cleaner both are great lubes, the latter being REALLY slippery.  I wouldn't trade either for neetsfoot oil. 

I have never had a mind that says, "Hey, I wonder if I can use this for lube?"  I am an engineer, and learned from an engineer and professor, so I stick with the known.  I only change if something is proven better in my testing, and change one thing at a time.  I really enjoyed Mad Monk as he had a super inquisitive mind and vast experience with testing.  I learned a lot from him. 

You may have a lube you like.   For the sake of newcomers, I like to point out known and available products like Mr. Flintlock and Hoppes Black Powder Lube and Cleaner for wet lubing.  The Track 100% mink oil is a good lube for hunting and when the gun may stay loaded a while.  I also like to point out the The Minute-Men plain 100% canvas patching material is a no-lose proposition for a tough and reliable patching. 

I hope this helps someone.  God Bless,   Marc
Swiss is not graphited. Pure Neatsfoot works good. Neatsfoot/Beeswax 50-50 by WEIGHT, just be very careful the Beeswax  is PURE. Heat in double boiler direct heat ruins the wax. Then add hot/warm oil and leave on the heat for a time mixing  so it combines properly. If teh beeswax is not really clean use only the top ;ayer after its been melted and settled  leaving teh $#@* in the lower part of the melt. Tallow done right is great too but better in warm weather.. Must be triple boiled in clean water each time to remove impurities.
Crisis is the rallying cry of the tyrantĒ. James Madison

Offline Scota4570

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1974
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2022, 07:33:42 PM »
Since my previous post I tried Ballistol 5:1 on strips, dried, and cut a the muzzle.  My groups were cut in half.  I get no smoldering patches.  The patches do not feel oily or attract dirt. 

For my purposes avoiding swabbing between shots is not a priority.  I have not found any juicy, oily, or greasy patch loads to shoot with best accuracy in my guns. 

Offline satwel

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 225
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2022, 03:55:09 PM »
I have been using neatsfoot oil as a patch lube for five years now. I am happy with its performance and recommend it highly. I bought it a Tractor Supply store.

Offline Brian Sweeney

  • Starting Member
  • *
  • Posts: 22
Re: Neetsfoot oil for patch lube
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2022, 05:57:33 PM »
 Marcruger can you supply the contacts for the folks at Minute-Men Patch?