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What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« on: June 29, 2022, 10:48:13 PM »
A friend gave me a bottle of  Ferric Chloride- Etchant Solution. What is it used for in the building of muzzleloaders ?  It came from a builder who has passed away.   Thanks.
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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2022, 12:35:33 AM »
  I saw it used for Etching on metal in a craft shop once. Wax coated piece with a design scratched in, coated with the acid, acid cleaned off, then heated and the wax wiped off.

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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2022, 01:16:47 AM »
it is also combined with ferrric nitrate in some browning solutions.  Use sparingly, it is pretty fast.
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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2022, 03:17:24 AM »
Pretty common for etching damascus steel in the knife world and it works great for getting pits in your aging on a barrel or other hardware.
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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2022, 03:49:46 AM »
I used it on my damascus lock plate.  I had tried it on other things and it didn't work.  then I discovered you don't use it full strength.  It has to be diluted 2 or 3 to 1.


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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2022, 06:14:09 AM »
In damascus bbl finishing, it is commonly used as the 'etch' soln betw the rusting cycles.
There it is used in a very weak soln,,I use it at about 3 to 5% soln in plain water at room temp.

The damascus/laminated/twist steel bbls are browned (or rustblued if you want a black % white pattern).
Then the bbl(s) are dunked very quickly into and back out of the etch soln.
Then placed under running cold water to flush the etch soln from the surface. You immedietly begin to card the surface with
fine steel wool with the water still running over the surfaces.
This carding removes the color layer that the etch soln loosened from the steel component of the bbl matr'l, but the color hangs tougher on the softer iron part of the bbl.

With repeated rusting, etching and carding cycles, the brown&white or black&white pattern is brought up on the surface.
It takes many more cycles than plain rust brown or rust blue finishing as you are constantly removing part of the color layer from the softer iron each time,,though leaving enough behind to build color and contrast with the completely color free 'in the white' steel of the pattern.

More than you probably wanted to know..


That etching soln will also place a plain matted steel finish of a light grey color on a piece of steel and is a good basis for a rust blue finish or rust brown. It gives the rusting soln a good 'foot' as they sometimes say to get started.
It doesn't take much (very weak solns...) and use them room temp,,no heat.,,and fast application. In and out. They work fast.

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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2022, 03:56:18 PM »
working in the water/wastewater labs, ferric chloride is a common chemical. Knew an industrial pre-treatment guy, who used it to fast brown his barrels ( found out we were both builders )
and then used the live steam line in his facilty to rust blue things. said he could finish a barrel/parts in one day?? as Heinz says. "works pretty fast"

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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2022, 08:24:39 AM »
It makes a great browning solution.  Dilute wit water until it looks like urine, then add a couple ounces of denatured alcohol.  It also makes a great etchant as Dave (TOF) stated.  I used it to create a faux Damascus finish: https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=53287.msg532571#msg532571

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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2022, 10:35:36 AM »
Also excellent for etching copper...and making circuit boards....
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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2022, 11:55:56 PM »
Nearly 20 years ago I took printmaking classes at the University of Alaska Anchorage and one of the processes taught was intalgio. Ferric chloride was the etchant that we used to etch images into copper plates. The plate was first coated with liquid floor wax and then the image was cut through the film with scribes. The plate was then suspended in a tank of ferric chloride and monitored for the depth of the bite and when the desired result was achieved it was thoroughly rinsed with water.

Here is a print using this process.


I'm working on a German flintlock pistol and am making the barrel from one of Peter Dyson's Damascus blanks. I want to do a deep etch when the barrel profile is completed. Unfortunately our Radio Shack and the local electronic supply company have closed. I guess no one builds their own electronic stuff anymore and certainly not their own circuit boards. The hazmat fee for shipping ferric chloride to Alaska is too high so I will experiment with muriatic acid on some scraps of the barrel.

Here is a photo of a cape gun that I have that is a superb example of the deep etching I'm hoping to achieve. I had a fine W & C Scott and Sons Primier shotgun that also was deep etched. Stunning effect.


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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2022, 02:15:18 AM »
Dennis,

You can make your own ferric chloride with ferric oxide (Fe2O3) (available from Amazon etc with no has mat fee) and hydrochloric (muriatic / pool) acid.  Not hard to do.

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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2022, 06:15:16 AM »
Nearly 20 years ago I took printmaking classes at the University of Alaska Anchorage and one of the processes taught was intalgio. Ferric chloride was the etchant that we used to etch images into copper plates. The plate was first coated with liquid floor wax and then the image was cut through the film with scribes. The plate was then suspended in a tank of ferric chloride and monitored for the depth of the bite and when the desired result was achieved it was thoroughly rinsed with water.

Here is a print using this process.


I'm working on a German flintlock pistol and am making the barrel from one of Peter Dyson's Damascus blanks. I want to do a deep etch when the barrel profile is completed. Unfortunately our Radio Shack and the local electronic supply company have closed. I guess no one builds their own electronic stuff anymore and certainly not their own circuit boards. The hazmat fee for shipping ferric chloride to Alaska is too high so I will experiment with muriatic acid on some scraps of the barrel.

Here is a photo of a cape gun that I have that is a superb example of the deep etching I'm hoping to achieve. I had a fine W & C Scott and Sons Primier shotgun that also was deep etched. Stunning effect.


Dennis

Check Ebay for Ferric Chloride.
There is a lot available.
Some sellers don't ship to AK/HI
Others do & with no extra cost or HazMat charge.

I've ordered it from Ebay sellers in the past and it was shipped as a common 'Ord-D commodity' under the old HazMat system. No HazMat fee charged.

Just a plastic bottle of the stuff well packaged arrived in the mail.

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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2022, 07:53:32 PM »
Thanks, Dave. Your suggestion led me to a blade forum that has detailed instructions for making ferric chloride using muriatic acid, steel wool and hydrogen peroxide. This gives me a cheaper route to enough solution to submerge the barrel completely.
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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2022, 02:53:11 AM »
Nearly 20 years ago I took printmaking classes at the University of Alaska Anchorage and one of the processes taught was intalgio. Ferric chloride was the etchant that we used to etch images into copper plates. The plate was first coated with liquid floor wax and then the image was cut through the film with scribes. The plate was then suspended in a tank of ferric chloride and monitored for the depth of the bite and when the desired result was achieved it was thoroughly rinsed with water.

Here is a print using this process.


I'm working on a German flintlock pistol and am making the barrel from one of Peter Dyson's Damascus blanks. I want to do a deep etch when the barrel profile is completed. Unfortunately our Radio Shack and the local electronic supply company have closed. I guess no one builds their own electronic stuff anymore and certainly not their own circuit boards. The hazmat fee for shipping ferric chloride to Alaska is too high so I will experiment with muriatic acid on some scraps of the barrel.

Here is a photo of a cape gun that I have that is a superb example of the deep etching I'm hoping to achieve. I had a fine W & C Scott and Sons Primier shotgun that also was deep etched. Stunning effect.


Dennis

Do you happen to have any links or places to start learning about that deep etching pattern on that barrel? That is mesmerizing

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Re: What is Ferric Chloride used for ?
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2022, 04:23:47 AM »
HighUintas,
Web blade forums are where most of the information about deep etching is found. The blade makers are using steels in their Damascus knives and I imagine that my cape gun consists of the low carbon steel and iron so might have different results. I have experience using ferric chloride on copper but none with steel/iron combinations so will have to figure it out with barrel scraps through varying dilutions and immersion time. I know that if the ferric chloride solution is too concentrated it has a significantly slower bite on copper and I would expect the same with steel/iron.

Here is a link to making the etchant and this guy seems quite knowledgeable on etching blades so you might try there first for info.
https://www.instructables.com/Making-ferric-chloride/

Dennis