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Offline yip

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Bucks County patch box
« on: July 03, 2022, 05:21:36 PM »
  i'm having a hard time with  B/C patch box, if anyone has an idea of how to make the hinges work please advise

Offline martin9

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Re: Bucks County patch box
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2022, 05:24:52 PM »
Is the hinge really tight? if so just drift the pin out and file a little draft on the inside of the hinge knuckles. Doesn't take much, just a few strokes on each one.
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Re: Bucks County patch box
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2022, 07:29:52 PM »
  i'm having a hard time with  B/C patch box, if anyone has an idea of how to make the hinges work please advise
Did you make or buy the box? Can you show pix?
Andover, Vermont

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Re: Bucks County patch box
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2022, 03:51:33 PM »
Bucks County Pboxes are probably the easiest ones to make seeing the hinges are straight. First off the holes in the knuckles have to be inline and as mentioned the holes have to be of suitable dias. I use 1/16 dia hardened rods for the hinge pins. A slight amount of draft is filed on the sides of the  lid knuckles....not so much as to make gaps between the knuckles.  The knuckles on the vertically mounted hinge plate also have a very slight amount  of side  draft. I use a very long 1/16 "dia drill   to size the holes and to correct any slight misalignment.

A 1/16" thick steel  plate which has a 1/32"  radius on one side  for the start of the holes  and that's  long enough for all the knuckles is used to form the initial  "U" shape. After the "U" shape, the excess length {if there is some}  can be shortened  and formed into a knuckle or left long and a steel rivet is used to close the knuckles around the hardened hinge pin.  I usually just  formed the knuckles.

Whether the hinges are made from the lid or are  separate plates soldered on  as I do, a slight amount of tweaking is req'd for easy opening. The lid is made from .050 annealed brass sheet  and rhe separate hinge plates are from .040 thick   annealed brass sheets.  Using  separate soldered on hinge plates results in the knuckles not protruding above the lid as much......Fred






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Re: Bucks County patch box
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2022, 07:34:48 PM »
  Fred;  very nice job, heres a picture of my latest one though still in the rough so don't be to hard on me. 
   i know there's still a lot of room to inprove so please bare with me

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Re: Bucks County patch box
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2022, 08:48:45 AM »
The knuckles on the bottom Pbox lid are a separate, soldered on plate like  the knuckles on the vertically mounted plate.  The top pic shows the soldered on lid  knuckle plate.  At least the separate knuckle plate enables one to discard it w/o throwing the lid away. All the brass pieces of the Pbox are annealed. I use a soldered on lid hinge plate that's .040 thick as is the vertically mounted hinge plate....the top of the  knuckles  protrude slightly above the lid.

I use a 1/16" thick steel  plate w/ a 1/32 radius that matches the steel  1/16 dia hinge pin that's a length of music wire and  that's long enough to accommodate all the knuckles when forming the "U" shape which  are then formed into  knuckles in the vise w/ a 1/4" steel  backup plate so the knuckles don't bend backwards. The length of the ends that form the knuckles  is determined by a test strip and I use a piece of  hard maple to completely form the knuckles. The vertically mounted hinge plate is made  the same way. When mating the hinge plates, relief for the knuckles has to be filed just enough so the hinge pin enters all the way. Doing it as explained will automatically line the hinge plates. Doing the work is easier than explaining how to do itanyways for me.

For Pboxes that have a curved hinge,  soft baling wire is used for the hinge pin.

The middle pic shows the easiest way to make the knuckles when the "U" shape is formed and the hinge pin is up against the radius of the "U" and the brass is squeezed in a vise to form the knuckles. The one shown has the tabs riveted but they could also be soldered. I prefer the other way of doing it.

YIP....I take it that the only thing that's yet to be done on your Pbox is filing clearance for the knuckles so the hinge pin can be pushed in? Also, don't forget the draft on the sides of the knuckles. Looking good so far....Fred
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