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Offline spgordon

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Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« on: July 20, 2022, 04:43:49 PM »
This is too funny.

On 20 November 1775 the Lancaster County Committee of Observation forced Lancaster's riflemakers to make muskets to satisfy the county quota. Threatened to be branded enemies of the state, many of the county's gunsmiths--Christian Jack, Peter Reigart, Michael Wither, Jacob Kraft, John Miller, Peter Gonter, George Frederick Fainot, John Graeff, Christopher Breidenhart, Peter Reasor, Jacob Dickert, John Henry—came before the committee to promise that they would “lay by all other kind of Work and begin to make Muskets & Bayonets for this County.”

Today I learned that on 30 December the committee made a surprise inspection of the gunsmiths houses--and they caught several of them in the act of making rifles! John Graeff was "making a Rifle at the time of the inquiry" and John Henry was "at Rifle work when inquiry was made." "Some rifle work appeared" at the shops of John Miller and Peter Gonter. No rifle work at Christopher Breidenhart's, but he had "not done or prepared himself with any thing towards making Muskets."

At Jacob Dickert's: of "all his Hands, but one at Rifle Work." Dickert "is putting old Crown Locks" on the muskets, "and Says the Locks are as good as those that are made here."
Check out: The Lost Village of Christian's Spring
https://christiansbrunn.web.lehigh.edu/
And: The Earliest Moravian Work in the Mid-Atlantic: A Guide
https://www.moravianhistory.org/product-page/moravian-activity-in-the-mid-atlantic-guidebook

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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2022, 04:51:14 PM »
Dickert "is putting old Crown Locks" on the muskets, "and Says the Locks are as good as those that are made here."

Good information there! Locks being made here.
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Offline spgordon

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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2022, 05:03:12 PM »
There is tons of information in these materials from 1775 and 1776 of people making locks: this very document, for instance, notes that "John Graeff has got 15 Musket Locks finishd and will Continue Making Locks till he has finishd 30, which will take him about 2 weeks [to] make and then he'll finish Muskets." Fred. Fainot was found "at making of Musket Locks, has 14 nearly finish'd."

But I guess, from earlier posts on this topic about making musket locks in America, the question is what "making" these locks meant: assembling them from purchased/imported parts? Or making them from scratch?
Check out: The Lost Village of Christian's Spring
https://christiansbrunn.web.lehigh.edu/
And: The Earliest Moravian Work in the Mid-Atlantic: A Guide
https://www.moravianhistory.org/product-page/moravian-activity-in-the-mid-atlantic-guidebook

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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2022, 06:05:07 PM »
Dickert "is putting old Crown Locks" on the muskets, "and Says the Locks are as good as those that are made here."

Good information there! Locks being made here.


really great quote! Thanks for sharing with the peanut gallery.

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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2022, 09:08:47 PM »
That’s really interesting — not only that locks were being “made” here, but that old crown locks were “just as good” — I’d take that to likely mean that locks made here were expected to be of good quality…Unless what he meant was that “old  wobbly locks that had been used hard are still no worse than the cr@p we usually make.”

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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2022, 10:12:52 PM »
At Jacob Dickert's: of "all his Hands, but one at Rifle Work." Dickert "is putting old Crown Locks" on the muskets, "and Says the Locks are as good as those that are made here."
I can't help but think of the possible salesmanship side of this.  Reusing old locks and saying they as good as those made here.  You can read this a couple of different ways.

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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2022, 10:35:13 PM »
think of the possible salesmanship side of this.

I was thinking the same thing. "What, these locks? They're every bit as good..." meaning good enough for a government contract.
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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2022, 11:21:37 PM »
Fantastic stuff Scott - thanks for always taking the time to post all this information here. 
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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2022, 09:55:32 PM »
think of the possible salesmanship side of this.

I was thinking the same thing. "What, these locks? They're every bit as good..." meaning good enough for a government contract.

"Good enough fer guvvermint use..."   ;D
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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2022, 06:36:40 PM »
A bunch of old defiant gunsmiths, can you imagine.  ::)
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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2022, 02:29:25 PM »
Hi,
Being very familiar with Brown Bess locks, I would say they were as good or considerably better than most similar style locks made in colonial America.  The question is they are described as old, which means they might be worn. 

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Re: Sneaky Lancaster gunsmiths, 1775
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2022, 03:17:35 PM »
Hi,
Being very familiar with Brown Bess locks, I would say they were as good or considerably better than most similar style locks made in colonial America.  The question is they are described as old, which means they might be worn. 
dave

Great point Dave. Possibly some were Land Pattern locks salvaged from muskets issued during the F&I War or from some of the 5,200 muskets the British left in NA, per General Gage's July 1769 orders. The balance of some 20 to 30k arms were shipped out, presumably brought back to England.

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