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Finished my first build - Early Jacob Dickert Fleur-de-Lis
« on: July 28, 2022, 05:14:49 PM »
After 7 months on the calendar, and about 315 hours of labor, I’ve completed my first ever muzzleloader build.

Patterned off of #48 and #49 Jacob Dickert rifles, as found in ROCA-Vol. 1, a fair mix of features from both these early rifles. A few mistakes, and several embellishments.  IMHO, a fair representation of the Lancaster School.

Purposefully selected TOTW parts, M3 non-inlet stock, Chambers Deluxe Siler lock, Davis trigger set, Colerain 42 x 7/8” - .50 cal. Barrel, White Lightning liner, 58-7/8” long, 9#-11oz..




























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Re: Finished my first build - Early Jacob Dickert Fleur-de-Lis
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2022, 05:38:36 PM »
Mike, great job on a first build. It exceeds most of our first builds. I like that you weren’t skeered to do the whole enchilada- carving and engraving. Fit and finish look very good indeed. The cameo wrist on the patchbox side is my favorite carving feature on this one.
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2022, 05:55:24 PM »
Mike, great job on a first build. It exceeds most of our first builds. I like that you weren’t skeered to do the whole enchilada- carving and engraving. Fit and finish look very good indeed. The cameo wrist on the patchbox side is my favorite carving feature on this one.

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2022, 06:19:44 PM »
Very nice first build, can't wait to see how she shoots
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2022, 06:21:43 PM »
Very nice first build, can't wait to see how she shoots
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2022, 06:23:19 PM »
Nice work indeed, keep it up.

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2022, 06:37:49 PM »
Excellent work, you should be very proud of it.  Beautiful.

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2022, 02:03:37 AM »
Mighty nice rifle for a first build! Good fit & finish and very pleasing to the eyes! Have fun with it!!!
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Re: Finished my first build - Early Jacob Dickert Fleur-de-Lis
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2022, 02:56:37 AM »
Love the stock color!

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2022, 03:33:01 AM »
Where are the triggers?

Beautiful first rifle. I would be proud of that for a third rifle.

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Re: Finished my first build - Early Jacob Dickert Fleur-de-Lis
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2022, 04:00:48 AM »
Where are the triggers?

I just looked at all the pics, I used portrait mode on my phone and the triggers are gone in all the pics with the trigger guard. VERY STRANGE! But, here’s a closeup of the triggers, except from a time before the lock was browned and I was fitting the flash guard bolt and nut.


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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2022, 06:45:35 AM »
Very nice rifle, attractive in the manner of early rifles. I like the work you did, good job!

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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2022, 04:28:26 PM »
Nice gun. Especially I like the warm color. What did you stain it with?

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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2022, 06:14:31 PM »
Nice gun. Especially I like the warm color. What did you stain it with?

Thank you. The stain is a hand mixed alcohol based stain:
2 parts R Gale Lock Co. #69
3 parts Chestnut Ridge Stain w/Red
1 part Fiebing’s Dark Brown
1 part Fiebing’s Dark Red

Shifted the red a bit with more dark red, tested color on scraps with BLO over the dried stain, and when I got to the color I wanted, I cut the sample 9:1 with 90% Alcohol. The cutting allows me to “walk into” the depth of color I want. Chalk that method up to 45 years of woodworking.
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2022, 06:52:19 PM »
Nice gun. Especially I like the warm color. What did you stain it with?

Thank you. The stain is a hand mixed alcohol based stain:
2 parts R Gale Lock Co. #69
3 parts Chestnut Ridge Stain w/Red
1 part Fiebing’s Dark Brown
1 part Fiebing’s Dark Red

Shifted the red a bit with more dark red, tested color on scraps with BLO over the dried stain, and when I got to the color I wanted, I cut the sample 9:1 with 90% Alcohol. The cutting allows me to “walk into” the depth of color I want. Chalk that method up to 45 years of woodworking.

Thank you. Interesting procedure. The results are convincing.

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2022, 10:39:54 PM »
Nice gun. Especially I like the warm color. What did you stain it with?

Thank you. The stain is a hand mixed alcohol based stain:
2 parts R Gale Lock Co. #69
3 parts Chestnut Ridge Stain w/Red
1 part Fiebing’s Dark Brown
1 part Fiebing’s Dark Red

Shifted the red a bit with more dark red, tested color on scraps with BLO over the dried stain, and when I got to the color I wanted, I cut the sample 9:1 with 90% Alcohol. The cutting allows me to “walk into” the depth of color I want. Chalk that method up to 45 years of woodworking.

Thank you. Interesting procedure. The results are convincing.

I could post a series of pics showing the progression of color build, if you’d like.
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2022, 12:20:45 AM »
Nice gun. Especially I like the warm color. What did you stain it with?

Thank you. The stain is a hand mixed alcohol based stain:
2 parts R Gale Lock Co. #69
3 parts Chestnut Ridge Stain w/Red
1 part Fiebing’s Dark Brown
1 part Fiebing’s Dark Red

Shifted the red a bit with more dark red, tested color on scraps with BLO over the dried stain, and when I got to the color I wanted, I cut the sample 9:1 with 90% Alcohol. The cutting allows me to “walk into” the depth of color I want. Chalk that method up to 45 years of woodworking.

Thank you. Interesting procedure. The results are convincing.

I could post a series of pics showing the progression of color build, if you’d like.
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Re: Finished my first build - Early Jacob Dickert Fleur-de-Lis
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2022, 01:40:09 AM »
Dried full-strength Test Sample with BLO (test pieces made from butt stock cut-off):


Stock before application (prep is everything):


First 9:1 cut-strength application:


Third application:


Fourth application:


Sixth application:


Seventh application:


Eigth application after steel wool:


First "wet-coat" of BLO (kept soaked 3 hours, wiped dry and hung 3 days):


Immediately after wipe off, before 3 day cure:


After all hand-rubbed coats have been applied and cured:


Two additional soak-coats were done before the oil was no longer absorbing into the wood, each with a wipe-down and 3 day cure. All remaining coats were hand-rubbed applications and cured 24-48 hours between.

Now for my reasoning, which some traditionalists may or may not agree with. I like Aqua-Fortis but it is hard to control in itself. Depending on the amount of heat applied, and the wood in hand, your results can vary widely.  Then you have to worry about how much color to put under, or in your finish to shift the result of the AF to the color you want. Depending on wood absorption, again a hard to control process.

When I pick a color I would like to achieve I want to hit that color exactly, regardless of the way the wood reacts. Each wood will pull stains differently, and is exactly why I cut the mixture 9:1 after the initial sample is made. By doing so I can walk the color into exactly the shade I want whether the wood pulls it quickly (requiring less coats), or slowly (need more coats). Either way, each change in depth is incremental, and can be adjusted one way or the other to suit. The nice thing is I can always make it darker than the original full-strength sample, just by adding additional coats. A secondary plus is the raising of hairs. Normally, the first three coats will raise hairs on the wood. Knocking these down with a light 0000 steel wool takes about a minute to do, and by the fourth coat no more, or very few, hairs will raise. A final steel wool at the end finishes it up nicely.

The cons: 1) The process is slow. 2) You must test the color with your finish. I use only BLO, so that is what I am used to. If you use something different, then it must be tested. Look at the image of the eight coat, and after the first soak. A significant difference in color. Be forewarned. LOL

I've been using this method for over 30 years in woodworking. It's something I am comfortable with and I have done successfully over a thousand times. If this is something you'd like to try I will make a suggestion. Mix any alcohol based color you like. Cut a dozen sample pieces, put a coat on each, then set one aside. Put a second coat on the 11 remaining pieces, and set one aside. Continue this process till you have 12 samples with 1 to 12 coats, then apply an oil soak-coat of your finish to each one. It'll give you a wealth of knowledge on how you can use this method. Each one will have a different depth of color. This is something that works for me. Time consuming, yes. Produces good results? You tell me.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2022, 05:11:45 AM »
I just use the color the wood wants to achieve.  ;).


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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2022, 02:31:47 PM »
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Re: Finished my first build - Early Jacob Dickert Fleur-de-Lis
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2022, 04:55:15 PM »
I just use the color the wood wants to achieve.  ;).


Jeff

I just did that yesterday, you must become one with the wood.  You'll see it in a week or so at F-ship. BTW, I'll have several bags of brass there too.
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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2022, 05:38:22 PM »
"Bless Your Heart"

In my neck of the woods in the South, that term means "You're an idiot" and is an insult. 

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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2022, 01:51:17 AM »
Hi Mike,
It was great meeting you at the gun fair.  You did very well on your first gun.  Keep in touch.

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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2022, 10:01:43 AM »
"Bless Your Heart"

In my neck of the woods in the South, that term means "You're an idiot" and is an insult.
Well then he'll fit right in here! ;D
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« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2022, 11:56:46 AM »
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