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Andy A

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garage sale rifle
« on: November 02, 2009, 07:01:11 AM »
This will make you sick! My art teacher had to show me the "Mexican import" decorator gun they bought at a garage sale for $8. The original owner thought it was a decorator piece and my art teacher did likewise. They knew I liked guns and had me come over and take a look. This little gun is a soddy daisy rifle, percussion, iron mounted, with original ramrod! 
The strangest thing is that it wound up in Lubbock Texas in a garage sale.
I will post pix as soon as I am able to photograph.

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2009, 04:00:36 PM »
Look forward to seeing it.  

Finding a Tennessee gun in Texas does not surprise me in the least -  lots of Tennesseans went to Texas and in Jerry Noble's books there are lots of references to Tennessee gunsmiths, and Tennessee guns (including some famous Bull rifles) ending up in Texas.  There is a letter from one of their relatives in Texas that describes the need for gunsmiths there and describes one of their "$35 rifles" and goes on to say that the owner could have sold it easily for $100 but would not sell it for any price.

We tend to think of these guns as being used mostly around where they were made, but you would probably have seen quite a mix of eastern longrifles in use west of the Mississippi prior to the Civil War.  The westard movement of the younger, and next generation of - the eastern pioneers - people like the Sublettes (descendants of William Whitley), Nathan Boone, the Coles, Neil Washburn - is a really fascinating and overlooked part of our history, particularly with regard to longrifles.  Many of the  younger siblings, and children, of those who hunted buffalo and fought in Kentucky and Tennessee in the 1770s moved on west of the Mississippi and were doing the same thing in Missouri, Texas and beyond by the early 1800s.  Lots of Natives probably brought guns west as well - keep in mind, the Cherokee were beginning to move westward into Arkansas and beyond by the late 1700s.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 04:41:08 PM »
Wow!  Really looking forward to seeing the pics.
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2009, 04:46:13 PM »
Ross Landing in Chattanooga, tn was only 20 miles from Soddy. The landing was one of ̃he main collection points for the relocation of the Cherokee nations. Trail of Tears.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2009, 05:56:35 PM »
If it was a piece carried west by a Texas pioneer, or on the Trail of Tears, that could make it a pretty early gun as far as surviving examples of Soddy guns go.  The examples I've seen all look to be post-Civil War, or at least from the second half of the 1800s.  Looking forward to seeing the pics!

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Andy A

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 01:30:09 AM »
Thanks Guy and all for the replies!

Well the history yall have related is very interestng! I need to know more! The rifle is walnut stocked and has a diamond shaped butplate---but is about .33 cal as far as I can tell. Not very big for a frontier rifle. Also the entry ferrel looks like it is some kind of shell casing. ( guys I'm just now learning about Southern guns---don't know much!)

I want to learn more about the settlement of Texas and guns used there-------

Andy A

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2009, 10:11:07 PM »
Andy A, if you don't have it, you might want to get a copy of The "Texas Gun Trade" by Chris Hirsch.

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2010, 10:26:22 PM »
There were lots of gun makers that moved to Texas from the southern states, Tennessee included.  All of the Texas 'stocked' rifles (muzzle loaders) I have in my collection, and those I photographed for my book, were no smaller than .45 caliber.  There is only one original flintlock, half-stocked rifle that I found that I believe was stocked in Texas and it is marked G. ERICHSON HOUSTON TEXAS on the barrel and the lock. Gustavus Erichson came to Houston, Texas in 1838.  It's a long, very serious rifle with a large bore and iron mounted.  It is in the Sam Houston Memorial Museum in Huntville, TX.  Anyway, photos of all these guns are in my book, The Texas Gun Trade, 1780 - 1899.

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Re: garage sale rifle
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2010, 10:42:31 PM »
There are two Soddy-Daisey guns in the Museum.

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?board=56.0

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2010, 12:47:51 AM »
A variety of guns were carried west, not just big bores.  Not everyone hunted big game. The farmer still needed a hog rifle. One of my friends has his gr-grandad's rifle that he carried to New Mexico as a pioneer--it is a genuine Hawken squirrel rifle of about .36 if I recall correctly--it was a small bore.