"A. Foaetsanger"

[Eric Kettenburg]

 

Even just looking at the photos, I can clearly see that the surname is "Fogelsanger."

This is one of Andy Fogelsanger's JP Beck copies, right?

I have no idea why they are calling a Chambers lock 'hand forged' nor why they are classifying it as an 'antique.'

Aren't these people supposed to be experts at what they're auctioning? 

https://www.poulinauctions.com/2022/09/15/a-relief-carved-flintlock-rifle-made-and-signed-by-a-foaetsanger/

[art riser]

We will probably see more and more of this down the road.

[Eric Kettenburg]

Well it's a great rifle and a great aging job, and if it truly was a 'hand forged' lock, and if the bore was rusted, and if it had no signature, I'd think some leeway might be warranted.  But it's a dead stock Chambers lock that's been on the market for what, 20+ years now?  The signature looks clear to me even on a 13" macbook let alone in-hand and I assume (now admittedly just an assumption on my part) that the bore isn't showing 200 years of wear.  Although I'd be pretty impressed if it does!

Also about 30 seconds worth of googling leads right back to a couple of threads here...

[art riser]

I emailed them. Let's see what they say.

[Mike Brooks]

I don't see it advertised as antique anywhere on that page unless I missed it. The front sight is certainly not antique. Never heard of Andy Fogelsanger, he sure makes a nice gun though.

EDIT:   Ah, I see the "status" listed as antique. I think  in this case all that means is it doesn't require an FFL to be involved.

[Eric Kettenburg]

Ah, I see the "status" listed as antique. I think  in this case all that means is it doesn't require an FFL to be involved.

Yes, that's a possibility I had not thought about.  Nevertheless I still think it's ridiculous that it's identified incorrectly and the very common commercial flintlock is described as 'hand forged.'  That's just lazy.

I'll tell you one thing, it's one heck of a contemporary piece and should go for a good chunk of change.

[rich pierce]

I thought it was an L&R Dickert lock.
Would be nice if they noted it’s a contemporary gun. Might nice work.

[Eric Kettenburg]

Looks to me like a straight up Chambers 'golden age' with a slightly-filed Siler cock and possibly some slight file reshaping of the plate outline.  One way or the other, it's composed entirely of very evident Chambers components.

[rich pierce]

Looks to me like a straight up Chambers 'golden age' with a slightly-filed Siler cock and possibly some slight file reshaping of the plate outline.  One way or the other, it's composed entirely of very evident Chambers components.

Yep. I had the old Siler in mind.

[Bob Roller]

My eyes can't decipher that name.Maybe it's Hubert Blaine Wolfschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorf or even Dinglehoofer, ;
Bob Roller

[Jim Kibler]

Wow!  That is a great rifle.  Some amazing work, for sure.

[Eric Kettenburg]

Does anyone know specifically when he died?  I think it was in the 1990s but I'm not positive.

[AMartin]

I remember being at Friendship about 1998 or so  ... cant remember which year exactly but this rifle was there for sale for about $2k
I believe Jim Chambers snatched it up rather quickly perhaps he can chime in ..

This gun showed me how I can add aging by adding color directly into the finish and by rubbing it back and so forth .
Andy was a stone mason along with his brother ... super gunmaker . Met him a few times , but sadly he passed way to soon .

[Eric Kettenburg]

Well at first I read through your post too quickly Allen and thought you said 'rubbing it back and forth' and I was going to make a comment about perhaps you were in the wrong "forum" hahahahahahahaha but then I picked up on the 'and so' forth terminology.

 

And now a word from Bon Scott.......

Sorry I can't help myself.  Moderation in 3...2...1...

[Seth Isaacson]

Ah, I see the "status" listed as antique. I think  in this case all that means is it doesn't require an FFL to be involved.

Yes, that's a possibility I had not thought about.  Nevertheless I still think it's ridiculous that it's identified incorrectly and the very common commercial flintlock is described as 'hand forged.'  That's just lazy.

I'll tell you one thing, it's one heck of a contemporary piece and should go for a good chunk of change.

You are most likely correct Mike, especially since it says "Status: Antique." "Contemporary" traditional muzzleloaders are legally classified as antiques by the BATFE, so you'll see "antique" in the "Class" section for them on our website listings as well.

It does look like they might be thinking this one is an actual original antique from the information they have listed so far.

[Kevin]

Does anyone know specifically when he died?  I think it was in the 1990s but I'm not positive.

Patriot-News, The (Harrisburg, PA) - October 20, 2006

Andrew F. Fogelsanger , Sr., 49, 125 Nealy Road, Newville, went home to be with the Lord on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 in the Carlisle Regional Medical Center.

Born January 24, 1957, in Shippensburg, he was a son of A. Barbara Kauffman Fogelsanger of Shippensburg, and the late Frank A. Fogelsanger.

He was a self employed skilled woodworker. He was a member of the Faith Tabernacle Congregation.

Andrew loved autumn, enjoyed God's great outdoors, fishing, playing the piano, and most of all spending time with his family. He was a 1975 graduate of Shippensburg High School.

In addition to his mother, he is survived by his wife, Crystal J. Hiester Fogelsanger ; four children, Andrew F., Jr., Adam U., Jordan C., and Arianna F. Fogelsanger , all at home; three brothers, William F and wife, Shelva Fogelsanger , Newburg, Gerald A. Fogelsanger and Curtiss E., and wife, Christine Fogelsanger , both of Shippensburg; one sister, Loretta E. (Mrs. Jeffrey) Deimler, Enola; and a number of nieces and nephews.

[hanshi]

Never have heard of him.  With a name like "Foaetsanger" I would have certainly remembered it.  I'd love it if that gorgeous rifle were mine.

[art riser]

The auction house changed the listing.

[Rajin cajun]

Someone made a great deal on this rifle, it hammered at $5,500.00.
His work is extremely hard to find.
.....Bob