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Rock Ford Exhibit
« on: September 27, 2022, 10:39:08 PM »
Has anybody had an opportunity to see the book that features the exhibit of "Lancaster" rifle s at Rock Ford.
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2022, 11:22:53 PM »
Just received mine a day or two ago. Could not believe that they shipped it on the 22nd and it arrived on the 24th. Someone there must have serious clout at the USPS! Beautiful book and filled with some screamer Lancaster rifles. Great job in my estimation. Worth the money if one is so inclined. No disappointments here.
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2022, 12:25:03 AM »
Thanks for the info and review Dick, appreciate it.

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2022, 05:07:04 PM »
Where can one purchase one of the books? Thanks!

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2022, 05:17:00 PM »
It's available at Historic Rockford's website:
https://historicrockford.org/shop/

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2022, 05:41:43 PM »
I received mine on 9/24, fast shipping, great book

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2022, 06:15:03 PM »
I'm going to the exhibit on Friday and plan to pick up a copy there...
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2022, 08:36:39 PM »
Ordered a copy this morning, received an email saying it would be sent out today.

Thanks for the review Dick, you convinced me! And thanks to Louie Parker who has indulged my preference for Lancaster rifles.

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Carl
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2022, 03:15:52 AM »
Attended the exhibit Sunday, and picked up the book.  Well worth the money.
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2022, 04:22:15 AM »
Has anybody that has visited the Rock Ford exhibit seen the Turvey rifle? How close can you get to the rifles? I understand that they are under”glass” are they lying down or are they on stands where one can see both sides. It’s an eight hour drive for me and I’m on the fence leaning towards going. Anyone have an idea if the exhibit will be shown in another venue?
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2022, 03:47:10 PM »
Has anybody that has visited the Rock Ford exhibit seen the Turvey rifle? How close can you get to the rifles? I understand that they are under”glass” are they lying down or are they on stands where one can see both sides. It’s an eight hour drive for me and I’m on the fence leaning towards going. Anyone have an idea if the exhibit will be shown in another venue?
Thanks guys,
Richard
Richard--The link below is for the article in Early American Life about the exhibit and does show some rifles displayed in vertical glass cases. I do not know if all of the rifles are displayed in this manner.
https://historicrockford.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2204_long_rifles_sm.pdf
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2022, 04:24:54 PM »
The rifles are in glass cases and you can see both sides. The cases are shown in the bottom picture of the artical

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2022, 07:14:07 PM »
Hi Richard,
Go by all means.  Most guns can be viewed from both sides.  The Turvey can  be seen very well.  Bring a phone with a light or a flashlight so you can illuminate details.  You really have to see the Turvey rifle.  The impressions I had of the gun from the published photos were changed radically after I saw the gun first hand. Displayed right above it is the Edward Marshall rifle. 

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2022, 08:24:51 PM »
Loved seeing the Turvey, Marshall, and a few old favorites.  Lighting such items is challenging. I haven't seen the book but a friend mentioned he was disappointed with the number of views for the money.

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2022, 09:32:01 PM »
I haven't seen the book but a friend mentioned he was disappointed with the number of views for the money.

That is usually the nature of these books if there are many rifles to depict.

In my opinion the book with the best detailed photos is Bob Lienemann's second book on Moravian gunmakers.
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2022, 04:48:24 AM »
Looks like I’ll be leaving E. Tennessee early Saturday morning for the days drive to Lancaster. Will viewand photograph hopefully the Turvy rifle and a few Lancaster rifles.
Cheers Richard

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2022, 07:53:30 PM »
Visited the exhibit this morning: it's well worth the visit. Beautiful rifles beautifully displayed. It's particularly exciting to see the barrel signatures, which are--surprisingly!--often so tiny on that top facet of the barrel. And the site itself--Rock Ford--is really nice. (The exhibit itself isn't in the home pictured here but in a gallery [once a barn] just across the field.)













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Check out: The Lost Village of Christian's Spring
https://christiansbrunn.web.lehigh.edu/
And: The Earliest Moravian Work in the Mid-Atlantic: A Guide
https://www.moravianhistory.org/product-page/moravian-activity-in-the-mid-atlantic-guidebook

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2022, 11:02:46 PM »
Visited the exhibit this morning: it's well worth the visit. Beautiful rifles beautifully displayed. It's particularly exciting to see the barrel signatures, which are--surprisingly!--often so tiny on that top facet of the barrel. And the site itself--Rock Ford--is really nice. (The exhibit itself isn't in the home pictured here but in a gallery [once a barn] just across the field.)

Scott--Thanks for posting the photos and your comments.

I read your saga of the Henry Phantom Factory in the Jacobsburg Newsletter. Very interesting and demonstrates how family lore can lead one astray.

Kent
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2022, 11:39:19 PM »
Looks like I’ll be leaving E. Tennessee early Saturday morning for the days drive to Lancaster. Will viewand photograph hopefully the Turvy rifle and a few Lancaster rifles.
Cheers Richard

Would love to see some good pics of that Turvey rifle!

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2022, 11:43:06 PM »
Very interesting and demonstrates how family lore can lead one astray.

Nearly always, it seems!
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2022, 11:59:30 PM »
I was there a few weeks ago.  Very nice display, and worth the trip. 

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2022, 12:16:00 AM »
Book arrived in todays mail (ordered Wednesday) well packaged.
Carl
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2022, 12:23:58 AM »
Thanks to everybody that has replied to this post. Very helpful as well as insightful responses.

I ordered the book on Wed. Hope it arrives soon by Media Mail which is often Super Snail Mail.
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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2022, 02:03:51 AM »
Hi,
I visited the exhibit back in the summer and just got the book.  I really like the photos and the guns depicted in the book.  However, the text leaves a lot to be desired.  It will definitely raise Erik K's blood pressure. Most of the descriptions about British guns and muskets are rubbish.  Clearly, the author has not kept up to date with current scholarship on that subject. Whenever anyone describes Brown Besses by models realize they have not kept pace with the history of those guns. Moreover, the Royal Armory Museum published a well sourced paper on the name "Brown Bess" but the Rock Ford book author did not bother updating his knowledge and perpetuated old myths.  The description of the battle of King's Mountain as a clash between the Ferguson rifle and Dickert rifles is laughable.  Whether you believe a few Ferguson rifles were used at King's Mountain, which is not supported by any unambiguous evidence, or not, to describe the battle as patriots armed with Dickert rifles versus loyalists armed with Ferguson rifles is patently absurd. The author also perpetuates the unsubstantiated story of Timothy Murphy at Bemis Heights and the notion that Dan Morgan ordered Murphy specifically to shoot General Frazer. There is no substantiated documentation that Morgen specifically ordered Murphy to do anything or even knew who he was, and there are no muster rolls that even verify Murphy was at Saratoga.  His wife never mentioned his service at Saratoga in her Rev War pension application although she described his other service. The sloppiness of the scholarship about the topics I mentioned casts a pall on the entire work as a reliable historical accounting.  The selection of guns was very nice and the photos are excellent, not complete enough for a gun maker, but useful nonetheless. It is worth the money just be skeptical or ignore the text.

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Re: Rock Ford Exhibit
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2022, 02:49:11 AM »
Well, I didn't mention it above, but ... the labels describing the rifles aren't reliable either--at least regarding the gunmakers that I know anything about (and I am sure this unreliability is in the published book as well, though I haven't opened it yet). The Dickert label says he came from a Moravian family (he didn't), the Albrecht label says he arrived in America in the 1760s and moved to Christian's Spring the next year (nope and nope: he arrived in 1750 and moved to Christian's Spring in 1759), etc. etc. These aren't interpretive issues on which people could disagree; they're simple facts and the correct ones are easily available for anybody who bothers or cares.

That said: the rifles are fantastic, the display cases show them beautifully, the exhibit is a rare opportunity to see very important pieces.

Make your way to Lancaster County and get a look!
Check out: The Lost Village of Christian's Spring
https://christiansbrunn.web.lehigh.edu/
And: The Earliest Moravian Work in the Mid-Atlantic: A Guide
https://www.moravianhistory.org/product-page/moravian-activity-in-the-mid-atlantic-guidebook