Author Topic: I really have no clue (Read 2561 times)

jruff5585 · « **on:** October 23, 2022, 04:47:49 PM »

it came out of Kentucky. I'm sure the lock has been changed that is all I know about it, I'm guessing late 1700's early 1800's
Barrel is 45 1/2" 61" long, smoothbore16 gauge? Patchbox opens from latch on the bottom of the stock

Pukka Bundook · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2022, 05:22:05 PM »

Looks rather Allentown to be...but no expert!

Rich.

poppy · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2022, 06:12:54 PM »

nice smoothbore cool lock.

Eric Kettenburg · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2022, 07:09:13 PM »

Looks like a Philadelphia Kuntz rifle - pretty cool!

What makes you think the lock has been changed? This style by that point in time did feature lock panels that were almost non-existant around the rear portion of the lock. Seems like the fashion was to run the wrist pretty much up into the breech uninterupted.

Do not touch anything until a very careful evaluation is done.

BArrel may be original length and uncut, which is a rarity of itself.

blienemann · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2022, 07:54:18 PM »

The engraving on the barrel ?? of Philad certainly supports Eric's review.

Bill Paton · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2022, 08:19:47 PM »

The rectangular wood box-release button in the toe plate is also classic Kun(t)z.
Bill Paton

jruff5585 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2022, 11:43:48 PM »

Well I thought the inlet at the back of the lock looked a bit diffrent. And when I said it was out of Kentucky, That is where I bought it. I had a hunch it was from Pen, but it was just a hunch. I nerver had plans to do anything to it. I bought it because I liked it and the not the worth of it. BUT if it had well known maker that would be great!!! and if it doesn't to me it's still a great gun. I don't do it for money as I'm sure you guys do this becauce you love it too.

120RIR · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2022, 05:04:18 AM »

Is that a piece or two of wood patched in forward to and/or on the side of the trigger guard? Just curious but not that it matters - it's a beautiful and to my eyes completely untouched and original piece or at least untouched for a long, long time. Don't "clean" a thing!

jdm · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2022, 05:33:35 AM »

At one time I had one that could be this ones brother. It was signed KUNTZ on the top barrell flat. It came out of an auction in southern Mo. Bill is spot on that toe release is classic Kuntz. I've seen horn and also mahogany used for the patch box release button on the toe plate like yours. I think there is a picture in one of the books of one with a ivory or bone button. Nice rifle congratulations . Jim

jruff5585 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2022, 10:08:46 AM »

Yes that is a small patch on the right side in front of the trigger guard. I have had the rifle quite a while and I have been bringing guns downstairs for a yearly wipe down and that's all they get. I would like to thank all of you appreciate the gun as it is. It is definetly one of my favorites. To me it is simple yet elegant. And I must confess I have never tried to open the patch box and I did not have a clue it opened from the bottom untill yesterday. My subject line was supposed to light harted yet show my fustration trying to find info on J.K. Phrlad. It has been a journey and probley will never know who he is. I have been acquiring guns for 60 years starting at seven thanks to my Uncle and dad and four guns that probley have changed my life and added to it. Oh and my Uncle Dom also kicked off a motorcycle adiction.

jruff5585 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2022, 10:14:58 AM »

#$! Philad.. A Lad from Philly and I have spent two years looking for Phrlad and phstad. I'm going to laugh about this all night. Oh Boy my wife will have a field with this!

jruff5585 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2022, 10:23:47 AM »

I fingered my way through page after page of Heer Dern Neue Stocke three volumes and others, hours searching on the computer. Philad. It's so unbelivable I'm still laughing. Even if I got the spelling right I would have never figured it out

jdm · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2022, 01:18:17 PM »

Use the search feature on this site type in Jacob Kuntz {Kunz }. You will get a ton of info.

LynnC · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2022, 07:29:08 PM »

A great find for sure. As found is always great to see.

The lock plate appears to be signed but I can’t make it out. Could be the lock maker or importer or gun maker perhaps ??

jruff5585 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 26, 2022, 06:14:23 AM »

Hey Sorry I've been laidup I threw my back out. Here's a pic of the lock, it looks like Jos. Kneulle or Knculle I found no info on this name either

LynnC · « **Reply #15 on:** October 26, 2022, 06:09:48 PM »

I understand the back.

I still cant read it. Just hoping it might help ID the maker.

Wouldn't it be nice if it read Jacob Kuntz

Shreckmeister · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2023, 03:39:34 PM »

asia emojis

Shreckmeister · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2023, 03:43:26 PM »

JK. Jacob Kuntz was Just Kidding

Thanks for sharing this beauty. Wish it could tell its story. Owners initials on the wrist

jruff5585 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 12, 2023, 07:32:33 AM »

Looks like J. C. to me.

ntqlvr1948 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 12, 2023, 05:49:37 PM »

About 18 years ago I sold a Jacob Kunz percussion cane gun to William Guthman. He actually appraised it on the Antiques roadshow. You can look on youtube and find his appraisal video. The lock was signed J Kunz...and on the other side was signed PHILAD for Philadelphia. So JK and the Philad seems to me your gun was made by Jacob Kunz.

JTR · « **Reply #20 on:** January 12, 2023, 08:12:08 PM »

JC on the wrist inlay would be that of the owner, and not the maker.

Seth Isaacson · « **Reply #21 on:** January 12, 2023, 08:53:09 PM »

My rifle from John Krider's shop has "PHILADA" after Krider's name, and "Philad," "Philadela" etc. are common on Philadelphia guns, especially Deringer's pocket pistols and their many copies.

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