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Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« on: December 23, 2022, 03:59:56 AM »
I recently acquired a nice medium size powder horn made of wood. It has 3 copper bands and a copper pour spout. It appears to be old, but I donít know. Iíve never seen one made of wood before.. can some one here school me on wooden powder horns?? Iíll try and post pictures, but for some reason my phone makes it difficult on this site.







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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2022, 06:23:33 AM »
As an old friend of mine would say, ďAinít that a magnolia ď!

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2022, 02:24:37 PM »
First wooden horn I have ever seen. Very interesting, love the copper bands.

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2022, 05:56:47 PM »
Dennis, I havnt seen one either, Iíve donít an internet search and turned up horns of Moroccan descent, but this one looks a lot different than those. I figured Iíd ask here after turning up no other information. This horn could be a one off made by someone who had a lot of time on their hands. The curious thing is though, itís very skillfully made, the base plug can be removed due to the rotten pins, there is evidence  of wood shrinkage. Iím trying to decide wether to repair it and out it back into service, or leave it be and admire it? I messaged Tim Crosby, but havnt heard back from him yet.

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2022, 07:13:02 PM »
 I have not received a msg from you.

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2022, 08:26:03 PM »
Oh, Iím sorry Tim, I thought I sent it last night. I must have mistyped. Anyhow whatís your thoughts on this horn? Any idea on a time period? Just looking for thoughts on it is all. Thanks

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2022, 10:59:19 PM »
One piece of solid wood or was it halved carved out and then the two sides reunited?
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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2022, 12:01:25 AM »
Mike, itís one solid piece,  when I first got it I didnít even think it was wood. Then I inspected it closer and sure enough it looks the world to me like black walnut. Iím trying to decide on wether to restore it, or leave it as is. Iíve never seen one like it, other than the Moroccan hornsÖ which I donít think this is.

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2022, 01:33:14 AM »
Only thing I have seen that is not even close are some NC horns with turned wood spouts. The Horner was a pretty artful individual to do this on a hard piece of walnut. Thank you for showing it here for us to admire and puzzle over at much the same time. Must have taken forever and six months to make this. Anyway, a nice, interesting horn.
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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2022, 03:03:36 AM »
Yes, itís somthing I would not have ever wanted to do.. but it does look nice hanging in my office. I think Iíll pin the base plug back in and seal it with bees wax, then Iíll make a pour spout plug and be done with it?

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2022, 04:31:35 PM »
The only thing that I have ever seen that might come close were hunting horns/blowing horns/fox hunting horns carved out of pine lighter knots. These were on a display in a tiny museum near Norris Dam (I think it was the WG Lenoir Museum, Norris, TN). BTW, a nice little museum if you happen to be in the area. As hard as those lighter knots are, it required a great deal of effort to hollow out the knot and them carve a mouth piece on the other end. I seem to recall that some of the horns were over a foot long!

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2022, 04:43:32 PM »
I have to admit, Iím really puzzled by this. I canít tell anything from the pictures. Walnut? Really? Why would anyone do that?
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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2022, 06:24:05 PM »
The pour spout is larger than what I normally make my pour spout openings, when I first recieved this I had initially thought it was a blowing horn that someone turned into a powder hornÖhowever,  the base plug looks to be as old as the body of the horn. Although it looks like itís never been attached properly. Iím with you guys and wonder why anyone would bother with all that work, when cow horn or bison horn should be available just about anywhere.  Iím wondering if it wasnít a shot flask of sorts? Or a powder flask for a fowling piece? Is there any tell-tale pictures I could take?

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2022, 07:12:25 PM »
If the butt cap is removable would it be possible to see the inside of the 'horn'? Being one piece, hollowing it out must have been done by someone with the patience of Job. Maybe some tool marks in there to help us along. It is a nice looking piece and if it is truly an old artifact, it would be a treasure.
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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2022, 07:24:42 PM »
This Christmas Eve, having nothing to do because my Dad has a chest cold, my family has postponed our celebration until next weekend. That gives me some time to examine the horn a little closer, the base plug appears to have never been attached, no holes are present. The base plug looks to be hand carved, it fits tight to body of the horn.


The base plug had a thong attached to it at one timeÖ


The pour spout has a hole drilled through the bottom lip, maybe for a thong for the plug?
The top ring and bottom ring are where the strap is attached..


The carry strap for the horn attaches on the top ring and bottom ring..




The pour spout isnít permanently attached and slides offÖ this piece still remains an enigma..

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2022, 07:31:21 PM »
This is the best I can do Robby, any suggestions on how better to photograph the inside would for sure be taken into consideration.. Iím not a great photographer..


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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2022, 08:36:53 PM »
Thank you Kary. Maybe holding a flashlight behind the camera will better illuminate tool marks. From what I think I see it looks like some chisel marks. Thanks again!!!
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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2022, 10:47:41 PM »
That's certainly unique and the first one I've ever seen.  I can't imagine the man hours required to build it.  Just me, but I'd likely hang it up with a shoulder bag or two.  It does look very old and I like such "wall-hangers".  The closest I've come to a wooden horn is one I created from bamboo years ago.
 
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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2022, 12:54:35 AM »


Robby this is the best I can do, it doesnít represent it wellÖ but maybe it can show you want you want to see?

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2022, 09:40:58 AM »
Maybe a shot container holding large shot for waterfowling by a market hunter? The unsecured rear plug allowing fast refills?  Certainly is unusual and interesting!
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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2022, 01:15:51 PM »
I was hoping to see some evidence of a gouge type chisel work and maybe there are a couple striations , but hard to tell. The hole for the butt cap is to me prettifying impressive by itself, being a nice smooth circle. It certainly is a mystery to me. Thank you Kary.
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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2022, 04:47:00 PM »
 With a butt cap that is not secured I have my doubts that it was used as a powder horn. May have been tried but the cap would pop out easily especially once powder was put in a couple times. Think how a tight stopper slides in easier after powder has been poured in and out a couple times. Robby is right about the hole for the cap, I'll bet that was done with a large bit of some sort, like a compass bit used to cut holes. If you look closely at the one pick of the hole you can see what looks like a smooth stopping point with a lip from the bit. The inside looks like it was gouged out and then scrapped down, the spout hole looks to be overly large. The plug looks to be lathe turned to me. Is that a patch at the upper strap holder? Can you tell how the grain runs? Depending on how it does it would be a very fragile horn.
 I'm thinking it may have started out as a presentation piece and somewhere in its life somebody may have tried to use it as a powder horn. I would not put pins in it but leave it like it is. I would like to see it in hand and if you would go along with that I will pay the shipping both ways. Really cool piece.

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2022, 05:17:15 PM »
 Tim, send me your address and Iíll send it to you, looking forward to your observations. Iím curious enough that Iíll pay my own way.. 😏

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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2022, 05:52:43 PM »
Tim, send me your address and Iíll send it to you, looking forward to your observations. Iím curious enough that Iíll pay my own way.. 😏

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Re: Powder horn made from black walnut..?
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2022, 02:26:30 AM »
Looking forward to what Tim has to say on this horn.

Gonna try and make one Tim?