Used rifles

[rich pierce]

Yes it's silly.  It only becomes a moral issue with an intent toward fraud.  Nobody here antiquing rifles to any extent is posting photos or selling to buyers under false pretenses and you know it.  Those who may be fraudulent are the people you've never heard of and sure as he ll aren't posting their work here. 

Nothing is stopping someone from taking one of your rifles or my rifles after either of us croaks and working it over to make it a fake.  So now we have to assume responsibility for every piece and every owner until the end of time so as to meet your personal definition of morals?  Give me a freaking break.  False antiquing has been going on forever; revisit the Shroud of Turin.  If you want to be absolutely moral, I guess the only thing you can do is build an erector set black rifle because if you are building an "old style" flint or percussion gun someone 200 years from now might mistake it for a true antique and your long-since-deceased self might be responsible.  Or judged, by excessively judgmental people.

What someone does with my rifle, or my car, or my house, or my bag of trash, or my land, or my kitchen knives, or my pencils after I have sold or passed my belongings on is not my business or my responsibility.  If they chose to do ill, I will wish that they hadn't done so, but it sure as puck isn't on me for someone else's bad actions.

BTW your story about Don King and Blue Jacket is interesting - I truly mean that - but who $@&&!@ what Don King thought after he sold the rifle?  He sold it, he was paid, it was the Blue Jacket dude's rifle to do what he wanted with it.  If he wanted to use it as a campfire prod as one of mine was used, well so be it.  It's his property, his to do as he wishes.  It's not my job or anyone's job to dictate how someone else uses something he owns as he sees fit.  To do otherwise is just being a nosy richard.

It's clear you and I see things quite differently.  I'm not going to argue over this any longer because I have aged-up, antiqued rifles to finish before I descend into the realm of fire and brimstone to forever regret my "immoral" behavior.

I remember a rifle on gun broker with a list of CYA in the descriprion and the WEAR of the stock told me it was a fake. Do YOU rememher it?

I gotta say that if I ever saw it, it didn’t seem worth remembering. I do remember mis-attributions and mis-identifications in every auction I’ve ever perused.

I do find it amusing when folks here argue for more regulations. It often seems out of place with their other views. But, everyone’s got an ax to grind. Poor grinding wheels!

[Old Time Hunter]

I can now take comfort in the fact that we have ALL be warned about the frauds and shysters in our midst !  With this type of idiotic arguing , it is no wonder that any posts regarding "aging" always go south ! It really is PITIFUL that supposedly grown up individuals  CAN NOT ACCEPT that other grown up individuals have tastes that are different from theirs!   When you write paragraphs trying to defend your stance and people STILL don`t care what you have to say , give up!

[Eric Kettenburg]

"CYA?"

Cover your _____ (posterior)?

Not sure what you're saying.  Gunbroker has always been loaded with all kinds of stuff, good and bad.  I've sold some stuff through that site too, but I can absolutely guarantee nothing that I've ever made was sold here, there or anywhere and represented to a buyer as something it was not unless it was done by someone other than me.

[Stoner creek]

For what it’s worth: I own rifles that are bright shiny new AND rifles that have been distressed to within an inch of their lives. I love them all equally!!

[tallbear]

     The beauty of living here in the USA is we can build and sell what we like whether it's new or aged and antiqued. It's all between the artist and the buyer. The cream in all categories will rise to the top and be sought after ,admired and talked about.In all honesty anyone who doesn't like it ....well their opinion really just doesn't matter.................


Mitch

[Jdbeck]

Well this was too fun to read!

I’m just here for the comments!

[oldtravler61]

   I only wished I could antique the metal on my guns to look 200 years old.
 To me the more character a firearm has all the better.  Now how's that using mustard going...  Asking for a friend.....

[ed lundquist]

That's why they make chocolate and vanilla too.

[Eric Kettenburg]

I like butterscotch.

[Karl Kunkel]

Butterscotch! (feigned outrage).  You probably put ketchup on hotdogs.  Butterscotch is disgusting and should be outlawed. 

[Stoner creek]

Butterscotch! (feigned outrage).  You probably put ketchup on hotdogs.  Butterscotch is disgusting and should be outlawed. 

Oh no!!!!
Ketchup, mustard, and sweet relish!!! An absolute must.   
C Mon man!!!!

[T*O*F]

You probably put ketchup on hotdogs.

I do, on hot dogs and Polish sausage, but mustard on brats and smoked sausage.

[Joey R]

X’s 2

[Daryl]

You probably put ketchup on hotdogs.

I do, on hot dogs and Polish sausage, but mustard on brats and smoked sausage.

That I will most heartedly agree with. Tried Heinz ketchup on Johnsonville Brats - just wasn't right.
The best Keinz ketchup I ever had, was some hot ketchup one time and could not find it again in stores.

[Eric Kettenburg]

Still waiting.  Dan I find your comment intriguing mostly because given the all-capped "YOU" I am assuming that you're either assuming I know what you're talking about or you're accusing me of something.  So have at it because my conscience is 100% clear on anything I've ever made or sold either directly or through Gunbroker (since you mentioned that site) as well as the old auction arms site.  Also still not clear on the "CYA" comment.  But since I've been thinking about it, why *wouldn't* anyone selling a piece through an auction site, whether new or old, word the description to "CYA?"  Heck, even the major auction houses are wording their descriptions in this way on pretty much everything - we point it out here all the time.

[Eric Kettenburg]

And waiting.

[Stoner creek]

Brand new and used at the same time!!!!!
Here’s something that Mike Gahagan just finished for me. 60 cal Rice EDL barrel. Zornes Albrect lock. This is a pretty faithful representation of RCA #42. I opted for a very distressed stock and an antiqued finish on the stock as wear on the metal parts. I also am fortunate enough to own an as new version of the same rifle. Needless to say that I’m a big fan of this particular piece of work. Enjoy this one. I surely am!!

[acorn20]

Mike does nice work for sure.

[Mike Brooks]

DAD GUM, that sure is nice!

[Ed Wenger]

Congrats on a fine rifle, Wayne!  Mike is a phenomenal gun builder, love his work!    Best,

         Ed

[rich pierce]

Brand new and used at the same time!!!!!
Here’s something that Mike Gahagan just finished for me. 60 cal Rice EDL barrel. Zornes Albrect lock. This is a pretty faithful representation of RCA #42. I opted for a very distressed stock and an antiqued finish on the stock as wear on the metal parts. I also am fortunate enough to own an as new version of the same rifle. Needless to say that I’m a big fan of this particular piece of work. Enjoy this one. I surely am!!

I was following this build online. You got a real treasure there.

[AZshot]

Yep, that's nice and I'd buy it.  After watching this thread for a month or so, I'm not sure there is a problem with aging a rifle or other antiques to look old.  I surely don't see a lot of stories of someone buying a nice multi-thousand dollar contemporary rifle THINKING it was a multi-thousand dollar original. 

Seems to be a debate looking for a problem that doesn't exist.

[Daryl]

This one is a multi-thousand dollar original, but is only 170 years old.
Original finish!

[tallbear]

Stoner

Mike built you a killer rifle.His carving is just some of the best I've ever seen.Look forward to drooling on it this August.

Mitch

[grabenkater]

Fakery in this hobby doesn’t add up to a hill of beans when compared to the fakery in other hobbies ( WW1-WW2 collecting)