Question on a York.

[Rt5403]

So I have questions on this rifle I saw on the metropolitan museum of art website. It says it's possibly a George schreyer Sr. rifle. I love the profile of the stock and thinking about building something along those lines. First question is would the York profile from Dave keck be close to this? Second is where would be the best place to get the castings and possibly patchbox for this rifle? Sorry if it's a lot of questions and if I sound ignorant. Any help would be appreciated.

[smylee grouch]

Dave Keck might have them

[rich pierce]

You might go with a patchbox “blank” which is a bunch of rectangles and then cut to shape, or start from sheet brass.

[Daryl]

I like the stock profile for a longrifle.

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

Good eye Daryl.  Notice that the comb line intersects the wrist about half way along...JP Beck's architecture is similar and makes for a really nice handling rifle.

[Rt5403]

Planned on using a .54 cal Octagon to round barrel and sending the barrel and plank to Dave keck for inletting and profiling. Just trying to decide what profile would be closest to the above.

[TommyG]

You might want to check out the Crockett rifle plans by Houston Harrison.  MBS has them.  This is my current build, although starting as the Crockett rifle, it morphed into more of a Schroyer, which is what I am told the Crockett rifle is.  After doing my usual research(books, KRA discs, shows, etc.)  I believe this to be true.  The gun shown has pretty much the same architecture to the Harrision plans.  Very pleasing to the eye and as the Sapergia boys mentioned, should be a good shooter.  I did get buttplate from Dave Keck, one of his Lancasters I believe.  I'm using a large Siler lock, 44" B weight Rice barrel - Dickert profile.  I wouldn't know about sourcing the pipes and patchbox as I fabricate my own and Schroyers work doesn't seem to follow a pattern here.  Example, some of his entry pipes have a lift or hump, some don't, same with the width and length.  Ditto for the patchboxes, some seem to have a flat lid, others seem to be slightly domed - having a slight lift at the rear of lid.  I'm no expert here, but those were my observations.

[Rt5403]

You might want to check out the Crockett rifle plans by Houston Harrison.  MBS has them.  This is my current build, although starting as the Crockett rifle, it morphed into more of a Schroyer, which is what I am told the Crockett rifle is.  After doing my usual research(books, KRA discs, shows, etc.)  I believe this to be true.  The gun shown has pretty much the same architecture to the Harrision plans.  Very pleasing to the eye and as the Sapergia boys mentioned, should be a good shooter.  I did get buttplate from Dave Keck, one of his Lancasters I believe.  I'm using a large Siler lock, 44" B weight Rice barrel - Dickert profile.  I wouldn't know about sourcing the pipes and patchbox as I fabricate my own and Schroyers work doesn't seem to follow a pattern here.  Example, some of his entry pipes have a lift or hump, some don't, same with the width and length.  Ditto for the patchboxes, some seem to have a flat lid, others seem to be slightly domed - having a slight lift at the rear of lid.  I'm no expert here, but those were my observations.

I checked MBS and didn't see the plans.

[TommyG]

They must have sold out.  I got mine a couple of years ago.  Here's a couple of pics.  I believe this is what you are looking for.

[Rt5403]

They must have sold out.  I got mine a couple of years ago.  Here's a couple of pics.  I believe this is what you are looking for.

Close butt the drawing looks like it has a shorter fatter wrist. May be just how I'm looking at it.

[TommyG]

Could be.  Much of that will be determined with the size barrel you use, your LOP, comb length, etc..  Plus if you look at the photo compared to the drawing, the beavertails sit high on the wrist in the pic, and pretty much centered on the lock panel tail in the drawing.  To my eye that can give a different impression.

[Rt5403]

Could be.  Much of that will be determined with the size barrel you use, your LOP, comb length, etc..  Plus if you look at the photo compared to the drawing, the beavertails sit high on the wrist in the pic, and pretty much centered on the lock panel tail in the drawing.  To my eye that can give a different impression.

Could be I appreciate the info and lead.

[elkhorne]

RT,
You have a good eye on that Schroyer! I and a friend are in the planning stages of a Schroyer based on an original signed example. I have studied Schroyer and he was a very prolific builder from Reading to York and must have turned out lots of rifles from his tiny shop! If you get the chance, study Shumway’s book on George Schroyer. It shows many of the variations and similarities of Schroyer’s work over the years. Honestly though if you ever have the opportunity to shoulder a Schroyer, you will find it literally jumps to your shoulder! Good luck and any questions, I will be glad to share with you all I have discovered.
Respectfully,
elkhorne

[Rt5403]

RT,
You have a good eye on that Schroyer! I and a friend are in the planning stages of a Schroyer based on an original signed example. I have studied Schroyer and he was a very prolific builder from Reading to York and must have turned out lots of rifles from his tiny shop! If you get the chance, study Shumway’s book on George Schroyer. It shows many of the variations and similarities of Schroyer’s work over the years. Honestly though if you ever have the opportunity to shoulder a Schroyer, you will find it literally jumps to your shoulder! Good luck and any questions, I will be glad to share with you all I have discovered.
Respectfully,
elkhorne

Never held it but it just looks like it would feel great in the hand and be pretty light. Not to mention I'm not one for off the shelf styles 😆. I guess I'm picky and weird.

[alacran]

I'm sitting here reading this thread. I looked at Taylors thread and took a straight edge and put on the comb of the rifle in the museum's website.
It lines up perfectly with the tail of the lock, as well as intersecting the wrist as Taylor states.
I did this since the gun on the plans seemed to me to have a lot more drop at the heel than the museums original.
So I placed the straight edge on the plan and the comb line lines up above the lock on the lock panel. Really doesn't intersect the wrist at all.
Both have substantial drop at the heel, but the originals wrist seems to drop down more than on the drawing.
The reason this interests me is because aesthetics and rifle handling seem to go hand in hand.
After writing this I decided to do the same thing with the straight edge on a Yorkish rifle I built for myself last year.
I was surprised to see that the comb line lines up pretty much the same as the museums rifle.

[Ron Scott]

I have copies of the Harrison drawing of the Crocket Rifle. I suspect that the Chambers Golden Age lock would be a good facsimile  of the photo you have.

[Rt5403]

Wish I could figure out how to just blow the pictures up to life saiz and use them as a general guide on a plank.

[Rt5403]

Anyone have a copy of the Crockett rifle plans they would sell me?

[Bobmac]

Dave Keck has a york profile. He also has a Shroyer profile. I have the  Shroyer on my bench right now. Haven't gotten very far. Eric von Aushwege(sic) also has a full scale drawing of a Shroyer rifle available. He used to post on here occasionally. It's well worth the price.

[Kevin]

Wish I could figure out how to just blow the pictures up to life saiz and use them as a general guide on a plank.

Might you connect a computer to one of those oversized televisions that seem to be all the rage these days and enlarge phots to life-size and then trace outlines?  I've never tried this but this was mentioned in another topic some time back.

Kevin

[JohnnyFM]

You might also want to check out Brad Emil’s website cabincreek.net
He is certainly an expert on York rifles.
Regards,
Johnny

[P.W.Berkuta]

You can enlarge you picture using "old school" methods like first printing out your small picture then laying it out on paper using say1/4" or 1/2" squares then take a full-size sheet of paper and then lay out 1" squares or 2" squares and then draw the rifle on the large sheet of paper using the small drawing as a guide. Easer to do than explain.

[Rt5403]

Anyone know what kind of entry thimble and buttplate are on the plans for the Crockett rifle.

[TommyG]

I used one of Dave Keck's Lancaster buttplates.  The entry thimble I can't help you with, as I made mine from .040 brass sheet.