Author Topic: Just a little bit different (Read 2471 times)

deepcreekdale · « **on:** March 03, 2023, 11:58:36 PM »

I just finished this for a customer who was a great help along the way with references and pictures. It was certainly an interesting project. it is a Scottish musket, probably from the late 1600's to early 1700's. The stock is one of Ron Scotts English walnut blanks, which measure 74 inches long when I got it. The barrel was made by Bobby Hoyt to customer specifications. It is 48 inches long and 10 ga, .775 cal. Interestingly, the octagonal portion of the barrel is not symmetrical, the barrel is much taller than it is wide. I bet that gave Bobby a headache or 2. LOTS of draw filing and polishing to get the transition area correct. The lock is scratch built with a few TRS parts from their English Carbine Snaphaunce #579. The Scots made more gradual changes to the snaphaunce mechanism, the cock is more like what we think of as a traditional flint cock. I retained the sliding pan cover because... well I think it is cool. later examples seem to have the one piece frizzen/pan cover we are familiar with

The rear sight has an interesting shape and placement

The wrist area looks clumsy but it handles extremely will in practice.

Interesting for what is essentially a musket, it has both front and rear sights

deepcreekdale · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2023, 12:08:42 AM »

Close up of the lock plate shape. The unusual banana shape is distinctive on Scottish guns

No C or S scrolls here

Off side is plain and simple as befits the Scots

Triggerguards are obviously only for men not fit to compete in the caber or heavy stone toss. Oddly this was one of the more difficult things to figure out. With the double sear arrangement of the lock, the trigger needed to pivot forward to trip the sear. It took me months of head scratching, then last year at Friendship, I sat down with Dan Kindig and together we figured it out. It pivots below the lock, not above it like I am used to with other horizontal sears I am used too. So simple but I couldn't figure it out

Overall view.
I have a direct ancestor who came to America with Fraser's 78th Highlanders. For some reason, when I worked on this and had the pipes playing in my shop I had an irresistible desire to go fight someone the English. Still didn't want to eat any haggis though

J. Talbert · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2023, 12:40:34 AM »

Well, I have absolutely no insight into its origins beyond your descriptions, but it certainly looks very well-made.

Nice job,
Jeff

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2023, 01:37:24 AM »

Too cool for school.

smart dog · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2023, 01:53:49 AM »

Hi,
What a great gun!!!! So few of those survived Culloden and the aftermath. Well done!!

dave

Justin Urbantas · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2023, 01:58:39 AM »

that's super cool. I love the oddball stuff. Well done. I really want an original steel Murdoch pistol some day.

alacran · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2023, 02:25:50 AM »

That is a great gun! Can't wait to see the sooting results.
Where is my Glennfidich, that is a gun deserving of a toast.

axelp · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2023, 02:27:02 AM »

wow. that is just really cool. I'd love to hear what Bobby Hoyt has to say about it as well. very cool.

Ken

James Rogers · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2023, 02:27:56 AM »

Love it!

Carl Young · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2023, 02:47:08 AM »

It's a very handsome piece, and obviously quite well done. Our Scots ancestors would be proud!

Carl

bob in the woods · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2023, 03:45:30 AM »

That is just awesome ! And a 10 bore to boot ! Now I'm drooling on the keyboard

Daryl · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2023, 03:58:20 AM »

That is a very cool gun. No T-guard, does the trigger unscrew?

Austin · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2023, 04:28:37 AM »

Pretty neat

Ed Wenger · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2023, 04:46:01 AM »

Like Jeff stated, I too have very limited knowledge of these arms, but I think I can spot quality workmanship when I see it, and this definitely fits the bill. Really nice build and cool project!! Best,

Ed

JTR · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2023, 04:48:26 AM »

That's a crazy cool looking gun!
And what a nice job you did building it.
John

deepcreekdale · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2023, 06:13:34 AM »

Quote from: Daryl on March 04, 2023, 03:58:20 AM

That is a very cool gun. No T-guard, does the trigger unscrew?

No, the trigger was turned on a lathe to shape, then the part that would trip the sear was ground/filed flat and pinned to the stock.

Pukka Bundook · « **Reply #16 on:** March 04, 2023, 07:32:17 AM »

Very bonny work, DD!
Got all the traditional bits!
Very nice to see something a bit outside the box!

skratch · « **Reply #17 on:** March 04, 2023, 09:33:41 AM »

Definitely unique and the rear sight placement gives me ideas.
Excellent work!

LilysDad · « **Reply #18 on:** March 04, 2023, 06:55:28 PM »

Man! Every time I come on this site, I learn something new.

Gaeckle · « **Reply #19 on:** March 04, 2023, 08:54:52 PM »

That is truly a neat piece, how in God's creation did you come up with the idea, did you have plans?

P.W.Berkuta · « **Reply #20 on:** March 04, 2023, 10:01:25 PM »

WOW - VERY IMPRESSIVE

You are a master of wood and metal !!!!

Clark Badgett · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2023, 10:36:29 PM »

That is some very impressive gun building. I like it almost as much as your Spanish stuff.

deepcreekdale · « **Reply #22 on:** March 05, 2023, 03:25:10 AM »

Quote from: Gaeckle on March 04, 2023, 08:54:52 PM

That is truly a neat piece, how in God's creation did you come up with the idea, did you have plans?

This was a build for a customer who is interested in the Jacobite Rebellion era. We were able to get some fairly good pictures from the Museum in Edinburgh. very grateful for that information but with them not being builders, I sure wish they had sent some more closeups. My suggestion they send one over for me to study personally fell on deaf ears. The research was harder and more time consuming than the build. Once I figured things out, it was actually a pretty simple build. The lock took up most of my time obviously. The dimensions as far as the stock shape are pretty much the same as any musket of the era, getting the shape of the buttstock correct wasn't too difficult, I just approached it slowly, so as not to mess up this gorgeous piece of walnut.
There are very few of these pieces still in existence as someone pointed out, after the Battle of Colluden, most were destroyed.

duca · « **Reply #23 on:** March 05, 2023, 04:19:50 AM »

Very COOL. Would love to see one of those on the range one day.

Gaeckle · « **Reply #24 on:** March 05, 2023, 06:20:51 AM »

Quote from: deepcreekdale on March 05, 2023, 03:25:10 AM

Quote from: Gaeckle on March 04, 2023, 08:54:52 PM
That is truly a neat piece, how in God's creation did you come up with the idea, did you have plans?

This was a build for a customer who is interested in the Jacobite Rebellion era. We were able to get some fairly good pictures from the Museum in Edinburgh. very grateful for that information but with them not being builders, I sure wish they had sent some more closeups. My suggestion they send one over for me to study personally fell on deaf ears. The research was harder and more time consuming than the build. Once I figured things out, it was actually a pretty simple build. The lock took up most of my time obviously. The dimensions as far as the stock shape are pretty much the same as any musket of the era, getting the shape of the buttstock correct wasn't too difficult, I just approached it slowly, so as not to mess up this gorgeous piece of walnut.
There are very few of these pieces still in existence as someone pointed out, after the Battle of Colluden, most were destroyed.

I'll tell you what, your work is impressive and your approach to figuring this out is equally impressive. Great job

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Author Topic: Just a little bit different (Read 2471 times)