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Offline rich pierce

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May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« on: November 20, 2009, 12:17:24 AM »
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B6v4EWFwG9xbYjZiMDM2NzMtMzJlMS00NmNlLWI1MTYtODQ1ZTdjZDhiYmVi&hl=en

Check out the pants on the guy in the second photo on the second page, rifling a barrel.  Papa needs a new pair of pants, but all he cares about is his rifle!
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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 12:40:59 AM »
   Rich, thank you for posting that article.  It was very enjoyable reading. 

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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2009, 12:43:50 AM »
I bet it shot good when he was done!

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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2009, 01:03:48 AM »
Rich,

That's what a pair of levis look like after spending a few days bailing and stacking hay on a wagon.

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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2009, 01:24:20 AM »
Many thanks for sharing Rich!
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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2009, 07:31:41 AM »
Rich,

That's what a pair of levis look like after spending a few days bailing and stacking hay on a wagon.

Randy Hedden

Same thing happens to Lee jeans and Wranglers.
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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2009, 02:47:35 AM »
I note the practice of loading the "neck"  (sprue) down in the patch guns. 

Lon

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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 10:04:30 PM »
I note the practice of loading the "neck"  (sprue) down in the patch guns. 

Lon

Lon - I think you are confused as the the 2-piece slug used.  The softer base tit (not sprue) goes up inside the hole in the base of upper, harder part of the bullet. The 2 pieces are then swaged together in a hammer swage to become a 2 alloy, 1 piece bullet.  The lower, ofter part obturates slightly with the paper patch to fill the grooves and maintain a gas seal, while the upper, harder part rides on the lands. (that is, unless I missed the pictures you are referring to.

Since we know today (since about 1900) that the base of the bullet is the most important guiding part of the bullet and must be perfect. Loading a sprue down would destroy the ball's (or bullet's) perfect base and give uneven gas escape at the muzzle, thus an 'off shot'.  We can properly centre the sprue at the top, but not at the bottom.  Even thus, centering the sprue at the top isn't as necessary for hunting accuracy, but when trying to get every last vestige of accuracy from a gun, we must do everything as perfectly as possible.

My bro is one who doesn't seem to care where the sprue is positioned, sideways, up or down.  I've observed him loading like that many times and indeed, he claims it makes no difference.  That he shoots as well as he does, offhand, is amazing as we know that any enlargement of normal group size due to irregularities in loading shows up in any position. This induced error in accuracy increases almost exponentially when shooting offhand (for most of us mortals), just the opposite to what many believe.  Now, take this man, Taylor, who is almost infallible in his offhand shooting, and set him at a bench, and his bench groups almost perfectly mirror his offhand group size. Glad I am, that he is careless in loading, for if he took the time to load 'perfectly' he'd be virtually unbeatable - in any position.

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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2009, 02:36:29 AM »
Thanks for point that out Daryl. I'll have to reread that article.   

I recall they were talking about two kinds of guns though, the picket rifles and the cloth patch guns, as the article starts out noting a win at 186 yards and later targets at 60 yards, so I'm just not certain now what   that "neck" comment was  in reference to without a fresh look.   

I sure wish, or could know just how much of the Rifleman articles are available online too.  I'll have to inquire.   
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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2009, 06:39:23 AM »
I note the practice of loading the "neck"  (sprue) down in the patch guns.  

Lon
Lon - I think you are confused as the the 2-piece slug used.

Daryl,
Lon was right. The reference to loading neck down in this article definitely refers to loading a patched round ball. See page 15 (of the magazine), bottom of center column. I found a similar reference published [thanks Tim] in 1828!
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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2009, 05:47:02 PM »
Gary,

I knew you had been at this a long time :o :o ........   But could you already read in 1828?? ;D ;D ;D
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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2009, 11:51:27 PM »
Check out the pants on the guy in the second photo on the second page, rifling a barrel.  Papa needs a new pair of pants, but all he cares about is his rifle!

Those pants would probably bring $500 in New York City.  No offense meant towards the fellow New Yorkers.

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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 01:44:23 AM »
Poor fellow could have been cutting patches out of his jeans before they wore out !   Lon

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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2009, 06:47:48 PM »
Looks like gunbuilding was as profitable then as it is now. Haha. Thanks for posting. Interesting read.
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Re: May 1931 Rifleman article on building and shooting muzzleloaders
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2009, 04:45:34 AM »
I trust that everyone noticed that the 1931 Rifleman article was authored by Walter M. Kline and that he played no small part in the beginning of the NMLRA
in 1933..........