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First Scratch Build
« on: April 16, 2023, 02:57:55 AM »
Although not entirely complete just yet, I wanted to share my first scratch build.  In taking inspiration from Panel 148 in Dyke's "Thoughts on the American Flintlock Pistol," I'm in the process of checkering it (also a new frontier for me).  Will follow up with photos once that's done.
Lock is an L&R Bailes, barrel is a 9" Rice English in .58.  Trigger guard and sideplate are by my hand, just cold-worked mild steel as I have no forge.  Extra embellishments are silver bits cut from a single sterling spoon.  Finally, the curly walnut blank was cut from a shotgun butt blank that was gifted to me.
This represents my first ernest attempt at engraving as well- lots of room to improve, but I certainly learned a lot!
Thanks much for looking.









« Last Edit: April 16, 2023, 04:31:04 AM by JBulitz »
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Offline Bill Raby

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Re: First Scratch Build
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2023, 03:11:13 AM »
Nice job. Now hurry up and start the next one.

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2023, 04:07:57 AM »
Well done indeed!
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2023, 04:39:16 AM »
Well done. Like the engraving as well.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2023, 02:32:18 PM »
Very nice job on all aspects of the build, pistols can be a real pain  Tom

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2023, 03:01:28 PM »
Very nice build. You did a great job on the carving and the engraving.
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Re: First Scratch Build
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2023, 04:15:23 PM »
The 2 or 3 pistols I made in the long ago were not 1/3 this good.A rifle can be "man handled"to a certain extent.The best thing about mine were the locks and the woodwork would have taken a lot of work to make mediocre.
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Re: First Scratch Build
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2023, 04:15:41 PM »
The quality of workmanship is very good. One of the most common mistakes made by new stockers is leaving too much wood. This is most commonly an issue in the forestock and lock panel areas. In this case, your for stock looks good but If you look at your lock panels and compare them to the photo you were working from you can see that the "original" sports lock panels of no more than 1/8" (maybe less). IMO you have done a wonderful job but you may want to put your lock panels on a diet on future projects. Good job. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2023, 05:00:01 PM »
The quality of workmanship is very good. One of the most common mistakes made by new stockers is leaving too much wood. This is most commonly an issue in the forestock and lock panel areas. In this case, your for stock looks good but If you look at your lock panels and compare them to the photo you were working from you can see that the "original" sports lock panels of no more than 1/8" (maybe less). IMO you have done a wonderful job but you may want to put your lock panels on a diet on future projects. Good job.
Thanks Cody!  I definitely recognize that the panels are much larger than on the photo of the original.  I found difficulty in this, since the L&R Bailes has a much smaller lock plate than the lock in the original and I couldn't find a lock similar to it.  I feared that making the margins more narrow would cause a "fish belly" effect leading into the trigger area rather that a flatter underside like the original, so it was one of many concessions I took in using the L&R.  I'll surely be more daring in the future and will venture into lock kits and castings.
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2023, 05:01:01 PM »
The 2 or 3 pistols I made in the long ago were not 1/3 this good.A rifle can be "man handled"to a certain extent.The best thing about mine were the locks and the woodwork would have taken a lot of work to make mediocre.
58 caliber ;D! A serious single shot back up gun for social activities gone sour,You have a serious skill with tools and we hope you stay on
this forum and don't worry about any gun that's not a perfect copy of a "sacred relic".That can come later if you're so inclined.
Bob Roller (Retired lock maker)
Bob, that's high praise!  Thank you for the great compliments.  My work is slow but sure, and I won't be going anywhere.
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Re: First Scratch Build
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2023, 06:06:13 PM »
The quality of workmanship is very good. One of the most common mistakes made by new stockers is leaving too much wood. This is most commonly an issue in the forestock and lock panel areas. In this case, your for stock looks good but If you look at your lock panels and compare them to the photo you were working from you can see that the "original" sports lock panels of no more than 1/8" (maybe less). IMO you have done a wonderful job but you may want to put your lock panels on a diet on future projects. Good job.
Thanks Cody!  I definitely recognize that the panels are much larger than on the photo of the original.  I found difficulty in this, since the L&R Bailes has a much smaller lock plate than the lock in the original and I couldn't find a lock similar to it.  I feared that making the margins more narrow would cause a "fish belly" effect leading into the trigger area rather that a flatter underside like the original, so it was one of many concessions I took in using the L&R.  I'll surely be more daring in the future and will venture into lock kits and castings.
I suspected that the petit lock plate was a contributing factor. One way to accommodate a smallish lock is to reduce the web between the barrel and ramrod therefore reducing the vertical girth of the piece allowing for narrower panels without the "fish belly" affect. A smaller barrel/calibre would also help a bit. On my Rupp/Kuntz I wanted a VERY slim profile so went with, IIRC, <1/8" web. To accommodate this VERY thin web I used a #6 forward lock bolt and notched the barrel slightly for clearance and am planning on using staples rather than tennons for the wedges and file bit of a "Notch" between the staple posts so the wedges can be of adequate thickness and not have the staples interfere with the ram rod channel. Whether or not any of this is relevant to your project only you can know, just some "food for thought".

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Re: First Scratch Build
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2023, 07:16:48 PM »
JBulitz, this one, ispired as well by the book on English pistols from Track, has a Bailes lock.
Taylor put this one together for me. I started with a piece of a 1" straight octagonal .54 rifle barrel, filed the flats to tapered octagonal, then turned the muzzle end.
It is flared, from just in front of the wedding bands.

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Re: First Scratch Build
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2023, 08:01:50 PM »
I think it's quite nice looking, and that you should be proud of it.  Also, your idea of checkering the stock would jive with the overall aesthetic in my opinion.

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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2023, 08:17:39 PM »
Thanks to all.
Daryl, that's a beautiful pistol- I can definitely see the influence that some of the examples in the book had on the build.  The contrast between walnut and bright steel (or silver!) Is really excellent.  I may have to exploit it on a rifle next....
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2023, 10:09:15 PM »
I agree with Cody's assessment.  You've done a really good job.  More study of original work or good modern stuff will help with future projects.  The workmanship and overall feel is very good for a first build, though.  Keep going!!!

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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2023, 04:13:07 AM »
Not to shabby , looks good to me. I would be happy with that. Steve

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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2023, 05:42:29 AM »









Once again, thanks to all for the compliments and constructive criticism- it's hard to receive the former without first receiving the latter! Anyways, Here it is, wrapped up for good. I was skeptical about adding checkering but wanted to practice as many skills as possible on this piece, being one of my first.  Overall I'm pleased, but still walking away understanding a number of things to improve on the next build!
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2023, 06:18:11 AM »
Beautiful work, fine piece of wood.

Love the checkering!
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2023, 04:21:41 PM »
There are many first scratch builds that wouldn’t come close to the quality of your build, mine included. The overall fit and finish of your project is very good as is the quality of your checkering. The cleanses of your boarder’s is not easily done. I would suspect that’s not your first go at checkering but if it is you have done well. As others have said with a little refinement it would go from a good well built pistol to a great well built pistol. Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2023, 05:59:44 PM »
I would be awfully proud of that for a first scratch build.......

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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2023, 07:11:31 PM »
I have only done checkering on 3 guns and will be quite content to go to my grave without that number changing. In my limited experience, checkering around a rounded surface (around the butt) is the more (if not most) difficult place to put it. Kudos for doing that and doing a good job of it. IMO, checkering is more difficult than relief carving because if you slip or screw up a carving, you can just adjust your design and carry on and in most cases no one would be the wiser. Checkering OTOH, being uniform, ANY slip and you are hooped. You can not hide it. Another point is that photographs seem to highlight any anomalies that are otherwise unnoticed to the casual observer "in the flesh". Nowhere is this more evident than an off topic rifle that I bought recently that had been restocked and the stocker did a fabulous job but when I took pics I could easily see the varying depth of the checkering lines that were difficult to see "in hand". That variance of depth is visible in the pics on your pistol and I suspect that you REALLY have to look to notice them "in hand". One thing I would point out, and this MAY be correct for the period you are emulating, I do not know, but the angle of the  "fishtail" at the front of the pattern appears less acute than is typical which resulted in squares rather than diamonds in the checkering. I will post a pic of the aforementioned recent acquisition to show what I mean as well as shows the the variation of depth that shows up clear in a photo but is less noticeable in person. The pic,  showing only the butt stock should not violate the "no off topic guns" rule but if it does not, admin, feel free to delete. Just trying to make my point visually.



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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2023, 08:14:05 PM »
I have only done checkering on 3 guns and will be quite content to go to my grave without that number changing. In my limited experience, checkering around a rounded surface (around the butt) is the more (if not most) difficult place to put it. Kudos for doing that and doing a good job of it. IMO, checkering is more difficult than relief carving because if you slip or screw up a carving, you can just adjust your design and carry on and in most cases no one would be the wiser. Checkering OTOH, being uniform, ANY slip and you are hooped. You can not hide it. Another point is that photographs seem to highlight any anomalies that are otherwise unnoticed to the casual observer "in the flesh". Nowhere is this more evident than an off topic rifle that I bought recently that had been restocked and the stocker did a fabulous job but when I took pics I could easily see the varying depth of the checkering lines that were difficult to see "in hand". That variance of depth is visible in the pics on your pistol and I suspect that you REALLY have to look to notice them "in hand". One thing I would point out, and this MAY be correct for the period you are emulating, I do not know, but the angle of the  "fishtail" at the front of the pattern appears less acute than is typical which resulted in squares rather than diamonds in the checkering. I will post a pic of the aforementioned recent acquisition to show what I mean as well as shows the the variation of depth that shows up clear in a photo but is less noticeable in person. The pic,  showing only the butt stock should not violate the "no off topic guns" rule but if it does not, admin, feel free to delete. Just trying to make my point visually.



Cody-
I definitely know what you're pointing out, as I found it challenging to gauge depth in process.  But despite learning experiences, I really enjoyed doing it!  As you probably know, there are a variety of cutters that cut different angles of  "v" grooves, and on a pistol of this period, shallow flat-top checkering made with a flat cutter would've been more appropriate.  In this case, I used a single 90° cutter since it's what I had, and therefore had to go deeper to get the texture it's intended to produce.
As for the fishtail, the pattern on the original appeared more square but was also cut as flat-top checkering, so that was somehwat intentional- but I definitely learned that those "master angles" in the border all need to be parallel and perfect right off the bat, and in this case they really were not if you look at how the lines meet the border.  Again, all things not noticed by the unpracticed eye that I'll do more deliberately if repeated.
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