Woodrunner

[hawkeye]

I was wondering. If Kiblers woodrunner could be build with a double set trigger?what or wich kind of trigger could be used?
Hawkeye

[Mike Brooks]

Call Kibler
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[smallpatch]

I asked the same question for a client.
Without pretty extensive remodeling, the answer is no.
Trigger sits way too far to the rear, no room in the guard for the sett trigger.

[Bigmon]

I have only handled a few Colonials and Woodsrunners, but the triggers on them were fine.  I would rather not have set triggers with the crisp pulls those rifles had?

[Cory Joe Stewart]

I made a version a few years ago.  I made the pattern based on the original when it was featured in one of the CLA magazines.  I did kind of a poor boy version of it.  I cannot remember exactly when I did it, but it was pre-2019.








Cory Joe Stewart

[rich pierce]

Mitch Yates made a beautiful Woodsrunner maybe 10 years ago or so.

[Joey R]

Just adding to the conversation but could you use a single set trigger?

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

I'm experiencing the same issue right now with a Chamber's Virginia rifle set.  The owner wants a set trigger, but a double set trigger won't work because the triggers are too far to the rear and won't fit in the guard.  But I used a single set on my own Chamber's Virginia rifle and I like it a lot.  Unfortunately, none of the suppliers carry that trigger any more so looks like we're going to make the trigger.  If it were mine, I'd simply make do with the simple trigger that comes with the set, but he is determined to install a set trigger.

[rich pierce]

I'm experiencing the same issue right now with a Chamber's Virginia rifle set.  The owner wants a set trigger, but a double set trigger won't work because the triggers are too far to the rear and won't fit in the guard.  But I used a single set on my own Chamber's Virginia rifle and I like it a lot.  Unfortunately, none of the suppliers carry that trigger any more so looks like we're going to make the trigger.  If it were mine, I'd simply make do with the simple trigger that comes with the set, but he is determined to install a set trigger.

And I thought you vowed to only build for yourself from here on out! 

[Jim Kibler]

I think set triggers would be pretty difficult in our Woodsrunner kit.  A single-set trigger could probably be adapted. 

I personally would use the kit as-is.  The trigger pulls are usually pretty decent with the single trigger. 

I understand what your going through Taylor, just on a mammoth scale!  It's amazing all the ideas or beliefs customers sometimes have.  Seems they sometimes become experts as soon as they lay down their money.

I urge them to just trust us.  This works with most but not all.

[alacran]

Most people do not know how to use a single trigger. That is most do not practice enough.
I am trying to put trigger pull weights in perspective without talking about modern rifle in detail. Suffice it to say that Service Rifle matches require a 4.5-pound minimum trigger pull weight.
I am sure that Mr. Kibbler's single trigger pull weight is in the 3 pound or less range.  Which would be the perfect pull weight for hunting. It would also be more than adequate for target shooting. That is if enough practice time is put into it.

[oldtravler61]

   Just me but I like a single trigger for hunting. I've shot Jim's Woods runner...excellent trigger and very accurate gun....I would say it's one of the best set ups on the market....JMHO

[Daryl]

You got me wondering what the pull was on my .69. It seems to shoot quite well.
I just dug it out of the gun room and measured it at 56 to 58 ounces, so 3 1/2 pounds.
In the 1970's the triggers on our position rifles had to pick up a 3 pound weight. In the 80's, that was reduced to 1 kilo, so 2.2 pounds.

[Rmh]

My Kibler Woodrunner's trigger breaks clean at just a breath under 3lbs.  I much prefer a clean single trigger to any set trigger arrangement.

[Marcruger]

Well, I'll be the contrary person here.  I love set triggers, specifically double-set triggers.  Once you get used to them, they allow a magnificent let-off. 

As an aside, stores around here stopped selling wide shoes, which I need.  The salesmen almost always say, "Oh, our shoes run wide."  They NEVER fit me, as I actually need wide.  If you are used to double-set triggers, a single trigger will never be the same as a set trigger.  "Our single trigger runs light" is almost never appealing to me. 

Single-set triggers are fine, and Winchester used them a lot.  The issue I hear in longrifles is that single-set triggers are often tall from trigger plate to top of blades, making a slim rifle hard.  If I misheard that, please correct me.

Nothing wrong with single triggers, but I happen to like double-sets.  I really don't think someone should be slighted because they happen to prefer set triggers.  On a pre-constructed gun like a Kibler, I can see the issue with adding set triggers.  It seems like it would be a lot of work, and perhaps require a new trigger guard (plus inletting issues). 

Just my 2 cents worth.   Best wishes,   Marc

[Daryl]

I'm experiencing the same issue right now with a Chamber's Virginia rifle set.  The owner wants a set trigger, but a double set trigger won't work because the triggers are too far to the rear and won't fit in the guard.  But I used a single set on my own Chamber's Virginia rifle and I like it a lot.  Unfortunately, none of the suppliers carry that trigger any more so looks like we're going to make the trigger.  If it were mine, I'd simply make do with the simple trigger that comes with the set, but he is determined to install a set trigger.

And I thought you vowed to only build for yourself from here on out! 

Think of this as a repair. Repairs are good!!!

[Bob Gerard]

I’ve been shooting almost exclusively my Kibler Colonial .54 for two years. It’s been a very reliable and quite fast gun, and I got deer with it. It’s got a large, sturdy lock.
Then a couple of weeks ago I took out my other rifle for a woods walk. It is .45 with double set triggers.
The difference was amazing. With it I could/did split a rifle ball on an axe head at twenty yards, as well as ring the dinner triangle at the same distance.
I really think that learning to hold true and follow through with the Kibler Colonial made my aim all the better, amazingly so for me with a rifle with double set triggers.
Yeah, I dream about set triggers on my Woodsrunner sometimes 😉

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

Rich:  you caught me for sure.  I no longer take orders for longrifles or other kind of work on them.  But I look after my local friends who I hunt and shoot with, and of course, warrantee my work.  Even so, warrantee work doesn't come up very often.
In my buddy Ron's case, we found a very nice single set trigger at the shop run by the Rice family - the same shop that produces that really nice Henry Nock lock.  It's going to work out very well in the Chambers' Virginia rifle.  Sorry, the name of the business escapes me right now.

[Scota4570]

The single set triggers I am familiar with require them to be set before you can cock the rifle.  The pull is crazy light.  The combination of the two factors is not something I am comfortable with from a safety standpoint.   I have no use for single set triggers if they are all like that. Do they make any set triggers that do not require setting before it will engage halfcock? 

I have no issue with a 3# trigger that is smooth.  You will get an excellent trigger pull with a Kibler lock.  Other than tradition I feel no need for a set trigger. 

[duca]

I have all Kibler rifles and find them to be smooth and Fast. The SMR set triggers are fine But I never need to use them.  🤪

[sdilts]

Rich:  you caught me for sure.  I no longer take orders for longrifles or other kind of work on them.  But I look after my local friends who I hunt and shoot with, and of course, warrantee my work.  Even so, warrantee work doesn't come up very often.
In my buddy Ron's case, we found a very nice single set trigger at the shop run by the Rice family - the same shop that produces that really nice Henry Nock lock.  It's going to work out very well in the Chambers' Virginia rifle.  Sorry, the name of the business escapes me right now.

That would be Buck Ridge Flintlocks. Their single set trigger is an excellent one. I've used it on several builds. With careful filing, you can get it to cock without setting the trigger first.
https://www.buckridgeflintlocks.com/product-page/cane-type-trigger

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

Yup!!

[Bob Roller]

Just adding to the conversation but could you use a single set trigger?

IF it is the type that can be fired set or unset.A double set trigger s not that hard to make andI speak from the
long experiences of making them and owning a machine shop,If the Davis triggers are easy to adapt then go for it.
Bob Roller

[Bob Roller]

You got me wondering what the pull was on my .69. It seems to shoot quite well.
I just dug it out of the gun room and measured it at 56 to 58 ounces, so 3 1/2 pounds.
In the 1970's the triggers on our position rifles had to pick up a 3 pound weight. In the 80's, that was reduced to 1 kilo, so 2.2 pounds.

Lock wear no doubt.
Bob Roller

[Bob Roller]

What makes this particular rifle so hard to adapt to a double set trigger? Triggers can be made to about any specification AFIK.
Bob Roller