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Offline snapper

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Patch lock rifle
« on: April 25, 2023, 04:41:02 AM »
What is a "patch lock"?

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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2023, 05:53:40 AM »
Never heard of a patchlock. Maybe a matchlock?
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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2023, 07:11:00 AM »

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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2023, 07:57:18 AM »
This is not that rare. Maybe for this particular maker. Patches like this are still used in the far east. I have a handmade "monkey gun" that uses these patches. A person buys the patch powder (mercury fulminante? ) at the pharmacy, dissolves in water, soaks pieces of cloth in it and dries it to make a patch. They make there own black powder also. Can post images if someone wants.
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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2023, 03:05:57 PM »
Frozen Run

Thanks for the posting.

Does anyone know if the nipple is special?  I would assume that it is?

Anyone making their own patches for ignition?

More pictures are welcomed.

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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2023, 03:38:33 PM »
Before percussion caps were standardized, patch locks, pill locks, (Two words!) and tube locks were all used at various times.
They all worked!

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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2023, 04:25:29 PM »


What a nerd...  :P

Frozen Run

Thanks for the posting.

Does anyone know if the nipple is special?  I would assume that it is?

Anyone making their own patches for ignition?

More pictures are welcomed.

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Fleener

The nipples don't have to be anything special, but because patchlocks are from before percussion caps were standardized, the nipples are sometimes different since they weren't shaped to fit a cap. They are often short and less coned. The hammers are usually the most obvious difference since they hold the patch which then is struck against the nipple for ignition.

This one is up for auction in May if you are coming to preview. You can check it out in person.
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/88/1271/engraved-and-silver-mounted-alexander-wilson-patch-lock-rifle
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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2023, 08:06:40 PM »
Now that is interesting. I've never heard of a patch lock firearm. Tubes, pills, Forsyth's sent bottles & of course percussion & tape primers yes.
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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2023, 08:14:50 PM »
Seth

I fiquired I would hear from you.   Did not expect you to show up in a video. 

I won’t be able to inspect that rifle in person.

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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2023, 08:47:27 PM »
I do about a handful of videos for each premier auction, but that's the only patchlock one I recall doing. A lot of them lately have been on higher end percussion revolvers and historical pieces, but I usually try to sneak in a muzzleloading video or two.
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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2023, 10:59:05 PM »
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pill locks, (Two words!) were used at various times.
They all worked!
Those may be obsolete, but pillocks aren't and they don't usually work. 
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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2023, 12:39:33 AM »
Most patch lock type of ignition had a detachable nose  of which the patch  was contained in a separated part and inserted into the hammer nose and held in place by a  flat spring ,these were later changed to  a percussion type of nose I have come across several of these patch lock guns that have been converted to percussion .
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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2023, 07:28:19 AM »
This was hand made in Laos (based on markings) and takes home made patches.








Never have fired it. A bit hesitant to source fulminate of mercury or attempt to make it myself...

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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2023, 07:51:03 PM »
The compound mentioned in "The Pictorial History of the Underhammer Gun" by Hershel Logan mentioned a percussion composition.
I used that formula and the components there were available to me to make compound for percussion caps when store bought caps
were not available to me in the 1970's.
5 parts Potassium Chloride, 1 part sulfur, 1 part charcoal.
I was able to source the Potassium Chlorate at an Apothocary's shop(Pharmacy), sublimed sulfur (flour of sulfur) and I ground up charcoal briquets as I did not want to make charcoal as
not was available locally.
I mixed the solution in a slurry, and used it to inside the percussion caps I made from steel pop and beer cans (no aluminum in Canada in those days). I drop of 'liquid' in each cap. After drying
in the sun, they were VERY hot caps. Of course due to the chlorates, they were corrosive, just like the late 1890's primers, using the same solution. (caps made with a Tap-O-Cap die)
I was informed this formula was outlawed as it sometimes became unstable. It worked for me.  I drilled a 3/8" hole, about 3/8" deep out a solid bullet from a Minnie mould 'ball', filled it with the
dried, but powdered compound then a smear of BW over the top.  3 shots would cut off a green 12" aspen tree.
I don't make the solution any more & haven't since about 1978.  Old friend Lester H. Hawkes said one day, ever thought what might happen if that stuff went off inside the bore? That's when I
stopped making it.

edited: chlorate instead of chloride:
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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2023, 08:02:35 PM »
Daryl, I believe that you meant to type chlorate rather than chloride in the first part of your comment as you did in the latter part. As a retired chemist, I bet you ended up with a very touchy material; hopefully you retained all your fingers!

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Re: Patch lock rifle
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2023, 06:53:58 PM »
Tks yes - typo - edited.
I should proof read.
A small 'piece' of compound, the size of a split pea, if placed on the anvil of a 5 or 6" bench vice, then holding a hammer lightly but tight enough not to drop it, let the nose fall on that split-pea of
compound, would 'snap' pretty good, lifting the hammer over your head.
The resulting caps were quite hot - but corrosive due to the chlorate.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2023, 07:00:42 PM by Daryl »
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