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Offline Gaeckle

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Inlays, how I do it
« on: September 08, 2023, 12:57:34 PM »
After reading the thread on installing inlays, I put one in a cheek piece and took pictures as I  went. It's not hard to do provided that certain steps are done prior to the installation.

This is the inlay I will install. I've already annealed it. I'll place it on the stock and trace it out with a pencil, then put it on the bench and look at it from a distance. If I like what I see then I go to the next step.







Next, I'll prep up the inlay. I'll use a marker to show where I want my pins to be and also to indicate where the front is with an arrow. Then I drill my pin holes (I'm using 1/16" pins) and then file a chamfer on the edge of the inlay. I file from the backside
 any point in the inlay because it is hard to cleanly remove wood from such tight tiny spots.










Now I cut some pins and file as sharp a point as I can on one side. I cut the pins long so that I can remove them to check my progress.The inlay is placed on the stock in the position indicated by the penciled outline, then I'll drill the holes through the inlay onto the stock doing so one at a time. When I do this step I insert a pin, then proceed to the other so the inlay doesn't shift







Now I cut the outline using an excato knife with a sharp point. Sometimes going around a rounded corner the point may drag as opposed to cutting so I'll poke the tip to make a dotted line sort of approach and then make the cut. I find that at any place where there is a point I begin the cut at the beginning of the point in case the knife slips. Once I cut the outline I'll remove the pins, check to see how my outline is and what needs to be reinforced









Now I start removing wood. I make a  back cut. For this project I will use a bunch of shallow sweep gouges of a variety of sizes. I kinda hunt and peck until I find the ones that will fit the profile. If the cuts overlap in the interior of the design that's OK











I use very small chisels, many made from old Allen wrenches put in a drawer pull handle to basically cut away the wood. To smooth out the interior I made a tiny scraper from a small Allen wrench put into a handle. The edge on this is pretty good an sharp and doesn't take much to dress it up







When the interior is cut and leveled to the best I can I put inletting black on the backside of the inlay, place it in the mortise and slightly tap the inlay into place with a small wooden block that acts as a non deformity punch. Keep in mind the inlay is very soft and using anything metal may dimple or dent the inlay and that can cause problems.





 

I'll remove the pins and inlay and any high spot is removed. Once I'm satisfied with the work I put glue into the mortise, then I cut down the length of the pins anput a head on each one. To do this I file the cut end flat, hold the pin in a hand vise with a small amount of the pin sticking out and I tap the top of the pin with a very small (2 ounce) ball peen hammer. I use the peen side and peen the pin, it doesn't take make much, all I'm wanting is an edge to grab onto the hole in the inlay. I'll put the inlay back in the glued up mortise and run my pins in. I don't hammer the pins real hard because the inlay is soft and overdoing it will cause a depression in the surface of the inlay. It's more of a feel but the head of the pin will grab the inlay sufficiently to hold it in place.






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Once the glue dries, and it doesn't take long, about 45 minutes to an hour, enough for a cup of coffee, I will file and clean up the work. If any corners decide to spring up I use a little brass punch I made ti gently punch them back down. Gently is the key here. I use scrapers, files and sandpaper on forms to polish out the installed inlay













I hope this helps. This is how I do this sort of thing and I'm sure there are are other methods

Offline penobscot

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2023, 01:41:14 PM »
great job thanks a lot

Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2023, 05:40:19 PM »
Nice write up with a great photo display. Thanks for your efforts.

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2023, 09:28:54 PM »
 Well done, two questions, are the pins made of the same material as the inlay and are the holes in the inlay counter sunk at all for the peened pins?

   Thanks, Tim

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2023, 09:41:25 PM »
Thanks for posting. Very informative and instructional.

Offline Gaeckle

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2023, 10:10:51 PM »
Well done, two questions, are the pins made of the same material as the inlay and are the holes in the inlay counter sunk at all for the peened pins?

   Thanks, Tim

Tim, the pins I am using are german silver, sometimes I use brass. I have found that making a slight counter sink is difficult to fill because the upset on the end of the pin is imperfect while the counter sink is pretty much uniform. The upset or head of the pin is sufficient (along with the glue...strong stuff) is enough to hold the inlay in place. When the pin is set there is a very slight depression that needs to be filed and sanded out
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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2023, 10:24:02 PM »
Thank you for this post.   Perfect timing for me as I will be doing some inlaying.   Thanks again  :)

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2023, 05:38:17 PM »
Thanks for the step-by-step procedure.  I like your technique..

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2023, 06:15:45 PM »
Does anybody here have experience with Jarrow's inletting gold? I didn't even know they made a gold, but Mitch Yates said he prefers the stuff over their black in his lecture on finishes over at Kempton's. He said it was designed to be seen easier on darker woods such as walnut but he says it is much less messy than the black and prefers using it even on lighter colored maple.

Offline Gaeckle

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2023, 10:57:36 PM »
I've always used regular old inletting black, use it on walnut, cherry,  maple....it's very easy to use and reliable

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2023, 11:29:29 PM »
Sometimes people use WAY too much in letting black and this can be one reason its considered messy. JMHO

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2023, 03:26:52 AM »
Sometimes people use WAY too much in letting black and this can be one reason its considered messy. JMHO


To remedy that I use a 'transfer' can....a small can of sorts, like a soup can, that I put a put a small amount of inletting black into with an acid brush. Then I use another acid brush to pick up small amounts of the inletting black. The initial inletting black is swirled around the bottom of the can and the other acid brush picks up a very slight amount that I the apply to what I am working on

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2023, 06:50:55 AM »
VERY nicely inlet, BUT, very chilly on the cheek shooting up here in the winter time. Just saying. Good job.
Daryl

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2023, 04:59:16 PM »
Love the workbench. It looks real.
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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2023, 03:47:44 PM »
Very solid job, glue and Pins...
The Pins should be from the same material then the inlay is, otherwise you will see after a while the heads of the pins due to the fact that they blush differet

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2023, 04:45:46 PM »
Very solid job, glue and Pins...
The Pins should be from the same material then the inlay is, otherwise you will see after a while the heads of the pins due to the fact that they blush differet
I, OTOH much prefer (and have only used) iron pins whether the inlay is brass or silver. I like the contrast. There is no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to these things UNLESS you are going for a bench copy or want to emulate the work of a particular school/maker. Just a personal preference.

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2023, 06:57:06 PM »
Very solid job, glue and Pins...
The Pins should be from the same material then the inlay is, otherwise you will see after a while the heads of the pins due to the fact that they blush differet
I, OTOH much prefer (and have only used) iron pins whether the inlay is brass or silver. I like the contrast. There is no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to these things UNLESS you are going for a bench copy or want to emulate the work of a particular school/maker. Just a personal preference.

Many of the originals at the Log Cabin have inlays with steel pins. Some brass with brass pins, some with not. Mostly, the inlays were just a shade proud of the wood, but not by much. I've also noticed that some inlays, old originals that I have, have spikes attached on the back. I think these were driven in, then slightly inlet from the impression and I think these were manufactured items that could be purchased from a catalog

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2023, 08:35:57 PM »
Mostly, the inlays were just a shade proud of the wood, but not by much.

Do you think they were like that originally, or that they got pushed out a little as the sides and back of the brass inlay corroded over time making them slightly larger than the original inlet? Similar to what happens to brass wire inlay?


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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2023, 11:01:41 PM »
From my understanding (and I could be wrong) there was a robust industry that sold all sorts of goods to hardware stores and there were territories for salesmen. The inlays in my collection have a spike or spikes attached to the back and from what I can see it looks to be a cast item. So the ones I have are engraved and nicely done and that makes me wonder if there were many cottage industries involved in the supply trades as now. I'll have to dig up the inlays and post them so you can see what I'm speaking about

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2023, 06:03:44 AM »
What kind of glue are you using?

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2023, 06:12:45 PM »
Very nice tutorial!

When inletting an inlay on a curved surface, do you pre-curve the inlay or inlet it flat and file to proper curvature?

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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2023, 06:56:36 PM »
What kind of glue are you using?

Whatever wood glue is handy, titebond or elmers. You are just trying to create a gasket for the inlay, not glue it to the stock.

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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2023, 07:09:57 PM »
When inletting an inlay on a curved surface, do you pre-curve the inlay or inlet it flat and file to proper curvature?

You first need to anneal the brass or german silver to make it pliable, then you bend it to the curve of the stock and inlet it in. As you go through the process of inletting it, it will begin to work harden and the part will become springy, at that point you need to anneal it again to continue working on it. Certain inlays you may want to choose to go with a slightly thicker sheet material than your standard 1/16th or whatever as it will give you a bit more leeway: you will still need to anneal and bend to the curvature, but it allows you to knock off the high spots with a file and still have sufficient meat left in the inlay. 

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2023, 09:57:54 PM »
What kind of glue are you using?

Titebond 2, works great. The glue does 2 things: it acts as a gasket to level out any inconsistencies in the mortise and as an adhesive to keep the inlay in place

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Re: Inlays, how I do it
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2023, 10:05:09 PM »
Very nice tutorial!

When inletting an inlay on a curved surface, do you pre-curve the inlay or inlet it flat and file to proper curvature?

The inlay should be annealed and soft so bending it is a simple task. Putting it into a somewhat rounded surface is pretty simple. I do it by holding the inlay between two pliers  one in each hand, and simply tweak It. Doesn't take much and the curvature is very slight, you'd be surprised as how little is needed to put in a curve and how slight it is