Author Topic: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle  (Read 2540 times)

Offline BigSkyRambler

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.65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« on: November 20, 2023, 06:18:33 PM »
I am really looking forward to getting this one.  It has a 40" barrel (listed as .65), Roller lock and great Tiger Maple stock.  The German Silver fittings really pop.  Sadly, no information on builder, but my hat's off to whoever it was.










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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2023, 06:22:32 PM »
Looks well made and more comfortable to shoot than any close copy of a J&S Hawken rifle would be. Unusual elements (buttplate, wire inlay, nosecap) chosen here but hopefully great handling and accurate.
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2023, 09:29:19 PM »
.65 should make a good hunting and "match" calibre.
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2023, 09:33:32 PM »
Looks well made and more comfortable to shoot than any close copy of a J&S Hawken rifle would be. Unusual elements (buttplate, wire inlay, nosecap) chosen here but hopefully great handling and accurate.
Thanks, Rich.  I am hoping it will be a shooter. I like Big Bores and I cannot lie!

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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2023, 03:26:16 PM »
Outside of the trigger guard, what makes this a Hawken?
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2023, 07:04:39 PM »
Outside of the trigger guard, what makes this a Hawken?
Breech, lock, probably tang
Andover, Vermont

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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2023, 07:26:41 AM »
Im guessing this is a percussion rendition of Ashleys “super hawken” he had jake and sam make him around 1823 to keep the natives off his keelboats. His was supposed to throw a 1 oz ball from a barrel 3 1/2 feet long. I think Baird had one made in .69 caliber as that is what the US issue was at the time and a .69 caliber ball is close to that 430gr/1oz mark. Looks like a dandy elk rifle. 

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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2023, 05:53:55 PM »
Im guessing this is a percussion rendition of Ashleys “super hawken” he had jake and sam make him around 1823 to keep the natives off his keelboats. His was supposed to throw a 1 oz ball from a barrel 3 1/2 feet long. I think Baird had one made in .69 caliber as that is what the US issue was at the time and a .69 caliber ball is close to that 430gr/1oz mark. Looks like a dandy elk rifle.
Cool. Arkansas does have an elk season,  but the chances of drawing a tag are loooong!

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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2023, 09:37:45 PM »
Im guessing this is a percussion rendition of Ashleys “super hawken” he had jake and sam make him around 1823 to keep the natives off his keelboats. His was supposed to throw a 1 oz ball from a barrel 3 1/2 feet long. I think Baird had one made in .69 caliber as that is what the US issue was at the time and a .69 caliber ball is close to that 430gr/1oz mark. Looks like a dandy elk rifle.

A .69 calibre ball, if 15 bore at .677" weighs 467gr.  A .682" ball that I use in my .69, weighs 482gr. An actual 14 bore (.693") ball weighs 500gr.
A .622" ball weighs 437.5gr. = 1 ounce. A .650" ball is 17bore and weighs 412gr., rounded up from 411.76.
These are indeed, good elk and moose rifles. They will also quite handily kill deer and bears - and squirrels, but "Heavens, such a bore is rather large for squirrels in one desires their flesh, for fare".
Old joke about Baird's .69, from "The Primitive Rifleman".
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2023, 10:33:21 PM »
BIGSKY IF YOU GET THE RIFLE PLEASE POST WHO MADE IT AND MUZZLE PICS--THANK YOU GREAT GUN

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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2023, 12:16:09 AM »
BIGSKY IF YOU GET THE RIFLE PLEASE POST WHO MADE IT AND MUZZLE PICS--THANK YOU GREAT GUN

Will do.  It has not shipped yet.

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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2023, 05:24:30 PM »
I am assuming there is a picture here BigSky, but I cannot see it. I have tried clearing my history, clearing cookies, got Tim involved and still nothing.
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2023, 09:31:48 PM »
There are 5 pictures in the OP's opening post.
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2023, 09:56:52 PM »
I can also see the pics in the OPs first post. Thank you Daryl for the info re the relative ball weights. Ive thought about a .69 build like the Baird gun but as the years have passed and  my testosterone levels fallen I have less interest in it. I do have a .62 barrel sitting on the bench with a bunch of Dimick parts from Don Stith- rest his soul- once I finish my middle boys .54 hunting rifle I will start on it. Interested to hear a shooting report when you get the rifle.

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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2023, 03:14:27 PM »
There are 5 pictures in the OP's opening post.
Thank you Daryl, I was beginning to feel like I was in the twilight zone. I still can't see them.
Robby
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2023, 06:15:32 PM »
Would someone re-post those pictures under their own name. Just want to see if they appear.
Robby
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2023, 06:17:38 PM »
Huh, seemed like a simple request. Take about thirty seconds!
Robby
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2023, 06:55:26 PM »
Would someone re-post those pictures under their own name. Just want to see if they appear.
Robby

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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2023, 08:58:02 PM »
No pictures Tim.
Robby
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2023, 09:37:18 PM »
Pix are visible to me.
Andover, Vermont

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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2023, 09:41:50 PM »
Me 3.
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2023, 09:21:30 PM »
Received yesterday.  It is .62 cal. About 1:70 twist. A hefty buggar at 11lbs. My photos aren't better, but here are two.






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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2023, 08:36:22 PM »
For some reason, I can no longer see photos from the site's photohosting program.
Daryl

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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2023, 09:28:28 PM »
Can
t help you Daryl.  My computer shows all the pics.
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Re: .65 Fullstocked "Hawken" Rifle
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2023, 10:43:06 PM »
High end gun with low end lock. ;D ;D.Thanks for showing this,brings up memories of what once was,
Bob Roller