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Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« on: January 19, 2024, 04:48:59 AM »
Hi Guys,
The Braintree Hill shop is really busy but today I spent some time helping my friend Josh.  Some of you may remember our thread "Building Blind".  Jim and Katherine Kibler offered Josh a good deal on a Woodsrunner kit so he could see if he could finish it mostly on his own.  The answer is, he can but there are a few details for which he needs some help. Rich Pierce and I are providing the guidance and help.  Josh came over today and I helped him through some tasks.  I only did a few tasks for him, which I will describe, but helped him figure out ways to work independently without sight.  He wanted me to help him cut and make make the barrel and pipe pins.  The first issue was the slots on the barrel lugs did not permit the 1/16" pin stock to pass through.  They were too tight and also had chips of metal from the milling blocking the slot.  I had Josh file the slots a little wider and cleaned out the metal chips.  He did the task and then we set to fitting the pins.  All the pins are 1/16" and the pin holes in the stock are very hard for josh to detect.  Josh prefers to remove the barrel for cleaning because of he has better success cleaning barrel by pumping water up and down than just using patches to swab the bore. So we had to figure out a way for this to work.  We solved the problem with two fixes.  First, we ground the pins a littl short so when tapped in flush with one side of the stock, they are recessed in a shallow hole on the other side.  That hole guides Josh's pin punch when tapping out the pin. Secondly, Josh had trouble feeling the small 1/16" holes. So I suggested let's slightly counter sink the holes on both sides of the stock so he could feel the depression and not confuse it with the holes for the ramrod pipes.  That worked very well and is barely noticeable.

For practice, I had Josh drill each barrel lug hole keeping the drill level, perpendicular with the stock and let the drill be guided by the existing hole.  He did this very well.  I had to reacquaint him with techniques we developed for his previous rifle.  It as been a long while since he did that work. 
     




We had to figure a way he could measure the length of the pins.  I suggested using tape that he could feel.  That worked.




He then used the tape to mark where to cut the pin.  Next up for today was to clean up the trigger guard and ramrod pipes, which he did nicely. Without sight it is difficult to file every detail but with a little guidance and the right tools, he did very well.  Next was peening over the screws holding on the muzzle cap.  He needed to use a ball peen hammer but had trouble consistently hitting the end of the screws.  We worked it out such that if he huddled close over the work, he could accurately peen the screws.



It worked very well.  Next up, he wanted to install a back plate on the patch box lid.  You see so many Colonial and Woodsrunner assemblers not doing that but Josh, a blind man, wanted to do it.  So I set him up to file the end of the lid so the thickness of brass clears the spring catch. He did very well.



I had to file the dovetails in the brass end and mount the anchoring screws but Josh did all the rest of the fitting and shaping.





It came out very well. 

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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2024, 05:13:06 AM »
Love it. Nice work and it is thought provoking to see how Josh must adapt things that we take for granted. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2024, 02:45:52 PM »
Amazing!
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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2024, 03:33:21 PM »
Hi,
Josh is a remarkable man.  He is learning to fence.  There is a very active fencing club near where he lives and they were intrigued by the idea of teaching Josh.  During their sessions, the other fencers are blindfolded and Josh spars  very well with them.  He is also volunteering at Fort Ticonderoga where he makes powder horns for the fort and helps drive the oxen team.  He worked with his grandfather for years handling a team of oxen for logging and during pulling contests.  He has a lot of experience so he is a natural with the team at Fort Ti. In the last year a partially state funded program linking drivers with multiple impaired people, in Josh's case hearing and sight, has given him a reliable way to get around and opened a lot of doors.  He likely will be hired at Fort Ti this winter largely because he has transportation he can count on. 

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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2024, 04:17:12 PM »
This is awesome Dave. Thank you for sharing
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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2024, 04:22:19 PM »
Years ago I knew a blind guy that could identify denomination of paper money. He always got it right. Said they each felt different. I could never tell the difference just by feel.

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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2024, 04:45:12 PM »
 Good man Dave, kudos.

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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2024, 04:51:35 PM »
Josh is bringing the rifle to me today to show me and have me carve it. We will work on powder horns while he’s here. We made a plug and some staples the last time he visited. He has a real can-do attitude.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2024, 05:03:14 PM »
Simply wonderful. Thank you!!
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2024, 05:49:46 PM »
My hat is of to Josh, and those that have helped him along they way, by giving him opportunity!
This is fantastic!

I is so inspiring.
Thank you  again for the thread Dave.

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2024, 06:10:00 PM »
Thanks for posting Dave. I am in awe of what Josh can do and you and Rich for figuring out ways to teach him gun building skills.

Could you ask him to post some of his powder horn work, I would very much like to see it.

 

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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2024, 06:43:46 PM »
Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to help Josh.  I'm sure it means a great deal to him.  It's good to see someone like him pushing the boundaries.

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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2024, 08:00:49 PM »
  My hats off to all of you for helping him. That is all of you. Dave,Rich and Jim and Katherine. Kudos...

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2024, 10:34:50 PM »
Inspiring. Made my day seeing more about this.

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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2024, 11:00:27 PM »
Today Josh came down and we worked for 3 hours.  I band-sawed a plug for a horn and he fitted it using his belt sander. Then we re-fit the entry thimble on his Woodsrunner kit, as Dave had to fix a chip-out on it. Got that pinned, then simple trigger, then cut pins for the guard. Lastly we cut some off of the wings on the base of the front sight.   Very productive and fun.







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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2024, 02:49:02 AM »
A very worthy endeavor for both of you. Well done.

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2024, 04:38:22 AM »
Hi TDM and others,
 This is not about Rich and I.   It is about solving problems owing to physical impairment and working with that person so they can succeed.  We are a team and our purpose is not self aggrandizement but helping to solve a puzzle. How to help Josh do his own work and how far can we push that without our impatience or drive for efficiency getting in the way.  We have to let Josh work.  This is no different than my approach to my apprentice, Maria.  They have to work on their own and benefit from Rich and I with course corrections when necessary.  They have to do the work or they will never learn.  This requires great patience.  You have to let the student struggle at a task before swooping in with a correction,  I believe teaching others to be the greatest task anyone can do in their lifetimes.

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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2024, 05:30:40 AM »
Dave nailed it , and one of the best side benefits is that I learn from
Josh as well. He shows me that many limitations are ones we impose on ourselves. Josh is always willing to try new ways of doing things with confidence. Today for example, as he was fitting a horn butt plug which is hand fit - not turned - we placed a thin piece of tape at one spot on the outside of the horn mouth, and another on the plug face near the corresponding spot to improve lining things up by feel. Josh could then more easily index the plug to the horn mouth’s irregular natural shape without rotating and trying to get the shapes matched. I was amazed how quickly he got an excellent fit using the belt sander.
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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2024, 05:14:44 PM »
What a positive endeavor all involved will have something fulfilling.
Thank you Boone , Glass with all the contemplate I read with todays (shooter's lightly taken as such) , you keep things simple .

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2024, 08:23:00 PM »
All of u guys are amazing for what you guys are accomplishing together.

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2024, 11:18:43 PM »
Here’s to a successful result.
Way to go all involved.
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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2024, 12:56:15 AM »
Dave, can you tell me how Josh can safely fire his rifle?
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2024, 01:30:52 AM »
My hat off to you Josh and Dave. I have once seen the most amazing basketry made by blind people.

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2024, 03:31:06 AM »
Hi Taylor,
He can load it by himself and determine if it is loaded.  He needs someone to aim him and make sure he knows where down range is. He cannot shoot by himself.  On his rifles, I file a wide groove in the rear sight so someone can see it clearly and aim the gun over his shoulder.

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Re: Finishing a Woodsrunner when you cannot see it.
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2024, 12:36:04 AM »
met a fellow back in about 2000 he also was blind but was very sucsefull in building self bows very interesting man