Author Topic: Options for Smoothbore barrel for T/C hawken (Read 2404 times)

dlbarr · « **on:** January 27, 2024, 06:40:59 AM »

Been awhile since I was here. I am looking for a barrel in .62/20 to fit my T/C Hawken - 15/16". Does anybody know of a source? Appreciate any help. Thanks

Del J · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2024, 07:34:58 AM »

Have Bobby Hoyt bore one out. Finding one may be a problem, Try want to buy on this forum.

brokenarrow · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2024, 10:01:10 PM »

Good luck in your search. I would like to have a 28 guage barrel for my hawken

dlbarr · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2024, 11:08:05 PM »

Quote from: Del J on January 27, 2024, 07:34:58 AM

Have Bobby Hoyt bore one out. Finding one may be a problem, Try want to buy on this forum.

Thanks Del. Do you have contact info for this person? Appreciate the tip.

Flint62Smoothie · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2024, 02:11:03 AM »

Call between 8 & 8:30am

Leatherbark · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2024, 04:16:10 PM »

I'm not sure a 15/16ths inch TC barrel should be bored to 62 caliber. If my Chinese arithmetic is correct a 15/16ths inch barrel is;

.9375 in diameter. Subtract .620 that makes total meat left at .3175. Divide that by 2 for two barrel walls and what is left is .15875 for barrel wall thickness.

Normally a .62 fowler barrel diameter back at the firing chamber is larger than an inch, and probably closer to 1-1/8th inch leaving much thicker barrel walls back where ignition is. Plus, the fowler barrel tapers slowly to the thin section. A .62 caliber 15/16ths inch TC barrel will be thin, slightly over 5/32 inch all the way back to the patent breech.

Every one of these I have heard of were done using a 1-inch TC barrel.

Bob

dlbarr · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2024, 04:57:19 PM »

When I posted the Q, I was hoping someone might speak to that issue. I wasn't really sure & hadn't had time yet to call an expert on it. Thanks Bob

Levy · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2024, 09:25:57 PM »

Years ago, I purchased a 20 ga. barrel kit from Sharon Rifle Barrels that is 15/16" in diameter. It contained the breech, under rib and ramrod pipes. I have shot it a few times with 55 grs. of 2ff Goex and 7/8 oz. of shot. James Levy

dlbarr · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2024, 12:33:14 AM »

Quote from: Levy on January 30, 2024, 09:25:57 PM

Years ago, I purchased a 20 ga. barrel kit from Sharon Rifle Barrels that is 15/16" in diameter. It contained the breech, under rib and ramrod pipes. I have shot it a few times with 55 grs. of 2ff Goex and 7/8 oz. of shot. James Levy

James, are you offerring this for sale? Or just informing me that these are available?

Admittedly, I am sort of in & out of the ML field but I thought Sharon barrel company went out of biz years ago...

Levy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2024, 07:26:49 PM »

I'm sorry if I misled anyone. The barrel is not for sale. I was addressing the concern that the barrel at 15/16" in diameter was too thin for a 20 ga. barrel. Mine seems to be okay for my purposes. James Levy

Hungry Horse · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2024, 08:35:57 PM »

Bore it to 24 gauge instead of 20 gauge. That will allow you to shoot .58 cal. Minie style bullets for big game, and shot for ducks, and upland game.

Hungry Horse

dlbarr · « **Reply #11 on:** February 01, 2024, 01:49:59 AM »

Quote from: Hungry Horse on January 31, 2024, 08:35:57 PM

Bore it to 24 gauge instead of 20 gauge. That will allow you to shoot .58 cal. Minie style bullets for big game, and shot for ducks, and upland game.

Hungry Horse

Hmm...maybe...
Would like to find someone in the western U.S. to do this. But my network for this type of work is very limited. Any ideas?

2 shots · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2024, 12:54:07 AM »

any interest in a toledo arms 12 ga. barrel for it? i have one n.i.b.

dlbarr · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2024, 02:17:26 AM »

Quote from: 2 shots on February 02, 2024, 12:54:07 AM

any interest in a toledo arms 12 ga. barrel for it? i have one n.i.b.

Really..!? 12g in a 15/16" barrel? Per Mr. Hatfiled's post above, that would make an even thinner berrel wall at the breech...

Leatherbark · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2024, 03:50:52 PM »

Toledo Arms could have made it from some high strength modern gun steel. Maybe even tapered the firing chamber down to a cone shape to allow for powder, wads, and shot. Or possibly making a very long patent breech with a communication hole large in diameter to hold the powder charge in a thicker area. But I'm only speculating.

Bob

Dave Marsh · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2024, 05:19:57 PM »

My Toledo Arms 12-gauge barrel shoots fine.

Leatherbark · « **Reply #16 on:** February 03, 2024, 05:52:03 PM »

One important thing to consider is that the Thompson Center Hawken does not have enough drop in the stock to look down a bare shotgun barrel to aim with a bead sight making for an uncomfortable hold. Holding the rifle in a comfortable position and looking at the bead will require tilting the barrel up high causing the gun to pattern high. Of course you can hold low.

Bob

dlbarr · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2024, 12:19:48 AM »

Quote from: Bob Hatfield on February 03, 2024, 05:52:03 PM

One important thing to consider is that the Thompson Center Hawken does not have enough drop in the stock to look down a bare shotgun barrel to aim with a bead sight making for an uncomfortable hold. Holding the rifle in a comfortable position and looking at the bead will require tilting the barrel up high causing the gun to pattern high. Of course you can hold low.

Bob

Good point Bob. While this gun started out in life as a T/C Hawken, actually nearly none of it remains in original form. The barrels are GM, lock & triggers are L&R, hardware is different, the stock is Pecatonica modified to have a greater drop than original T/C. Actually, the only thing that remains original T/C is the barrel tang! That said, the lock & barrels are designed & match as per T/C design.

See attached photo.

rich pierce · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2024, 02:21:46 AM »

dlbar, do you want this moved to a discussion forum? It doesn’t seem to be a want ad, but a discussion topic.

dlbarr · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2024, 03:28:14 AM »

Rich, you are welcome to move it where you deem appropriate. I was looking for a barrel so I thought this the best place to start. But, yes, it has turned into a discussion.

dlbarr · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2024, 03:32:53 AM »

As an aside, I've contacted John Taylor in Lewiston to build a barrel for me. Based on all data, with thanks to many of you, I've decided on a .54/28g given the 15/16" barrel size.

scottmc · « **Reply #21 on:** February 04, 2024, 05:13:14 AM »

I was in Bob Hoyt's shop the other day and he was boring out a TC to a smooth bore 28. You would probably save a good bit of money doing that as opposed to making a new barrel. Just a thought.

Steeltrap · « **Reply #22 on:** February 04, 2024, 05:38:27 PM »

Just a thought.....but if you wanted more drop in comb, couldn't you "squeeze" another inch out of the existing stock?

I re-shaped my old T\C kit rifle stock, took more wood off and still have probably to much wood left.

Again...just thinking out loud.

Eric Krewson · « **Reply #23 on:** February 04, 2024, 06:09:05 PM »

I do this with TC stocks, no cheek slapping, Fred L showed me how.

The before and after. I reduced the wrist diameter a good bit and brought down the comb.

dlbarr · « **Reply #24 on:** February 04, 2024, 07:18:52 PM »

Quote from: Steeltrap on February 04, 2024, 05:38:27 PM

Just a thought.....but if you wanted more drop in comb, couldn't you "squeeze" another inch out of the existing stock?

I re-shaped my old T\C kit rifle stock, took more wood off and still have probably to much wood left.

Again...just thinking out loud.

I actually did this with the Pecatonica stock. I cut about an inch off the comb & then glued & pinned it to the underside of the stock. Reshaped the stock..yiu can see a line where the modification was made but, frankly I think it's hardly noticable and ir gave me the drop I wanted.

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Author Topic: Options for Smoothbore barrel for T/C hawken (Read 2404 times)