A new project: maple stocked, rifled English fowler FINISHED

[smart dog]

Hi Folks,
I haven't posted much recently because the Braintree Hill shop is very busy.  We recently worked over a bunch of Pedersoli and Miroku Brown Besses, some requiring locks to be rebuilt.  The main objective was to engrave regimental markings but quite a few needed serious lock work to function safely and reliably. Anyway, we did the engraving.










And we fixed the locks and guns in time for "Battle Road".   

I am making a gun for a friend and client that copies a good quality English fowler but is modified using a maple stock and rifled barrel.  It is a fantasy piece unlike most of my work.  It will copy the design of this original gun.

 





However, it will be a little more robust allowing for a strong full 3/8" diameter ramrod.  The owner will hunt elk with it as well as deer. The barrel is octagon to round, 54 caliber, and 42" long by Rice.  The lock is a Chamber's Colonial Virginia lock.  The brass butt plate is the "Dubbs" longrifle plate sold by TOW but modified to look like ones commonly used on English fowlers.  The stock is an exceptionally figured blank of hard maple. It has a humped standing breech and barrel keys.

 








I've posted many times about inletting these kinds of buttplates but will do so again.  They are not hard but a little fiddley.  I first simply trace the profile of the plate on the stock marking the location of the first shoulder.



Then I trim the stock on the bandsaw to my tracing and accurately cut off the first shoulder with a Japanese hand saw.




With that shoulder cut away, I can lay the tang down on the stock and trace the outline of the first part of it.  I inlet it slowly from heel to end laying it down gradually into the stock.

Because the tang gets progressively smaller toward the front, you can gradually move the plate forward on the stock until it is positioned correctly and all edges are tight against the stock. 







It is not hard but you need to go slow and use some sort of inletting black or smoke.

dave

[Bob Gerard]

Someone's Dream Gun coming soon. I bet it will look and handle like a million bucks.

[wapiti22]

Thanks for the info! I’m getting ready to start my first Fowler.

[smart dog]

Hi,
I am not going to post every detail of this project but I am going to select some segments that may be of real use to folks.  One topic or question that comes up a lot on this and other forums is how to make or where can one get side plates and other decorative inlays.  I recommend that folks try to make their own side plates so they can tailor the design to their guns and locks and it helps develop design and tool skills. The sideplate is the perfect inlay to learn from.  It is mortised into a flat surface, it is large and often (not always) uncomplicated, and it can be fitted to your already drilled lock bolt holes.  It is a much easier proposition than a patch box, toe plate, or even a wrist plate.  Here is the side plate I made for this project.  I wanted it to copy the original gun I am using as a model but the forward extension on that side plate did not adapt well to a shorter design that fits my lock.  So I punted and used a generic design found on many British guns for the forward extension.  The rest of the plate followed the original.
     


It is made from 3/32" thick brass sheet.  It was made using a hack saw, two drill bits for an electric hand drill, and one half round file.  That's it.










The contours of the file determined the contours of the side plate as if the file was both file and template.  By using the same portion of the file at points that needed to be symmetrical, I kept it all even.  This is basic tool work and the result is elegant and plausible given the objectives of the project. Learning file work is basic to gun making.  When I was 9 or 10 years old and wanted to make things in my Dad's shop, he gave me an ugly chunk of pine and said file it into a 3 dimensional rectangle.  Then he had me file it into a perfect cube.  Once I did that to his satisfaction, he had me file it into a perfect sphere. I never forgot those lessons and later he had me do much the same with a chunk of brass. 

dave

[smart dog]

Hi,
I got a lot of shaping done.  You can begin to see the final shape.  It should be pretty elegant.



I am still not sure how slim I will make the wrist and lock section.  This is a rifle that will be used for hunting big game including elk and moose so I think I may want it a little more robust than the original fowler that is my model. I am kind of thinking the size of Jim Kibler's colonial rifle through the wrist. 






In shaping the lock and wrist area, I mainly use rasps.  The only chisel (gouges) work is around the front nose of the lock and side plate panels.  I've noted over the years that many folks struggle shaping these areas. I do not cut any moldings around the panels until the gun is fully shaped and ready for carving.  I shape the areas as contours of the stock rather than separate "cut in"  frames.  One area that may trouble new builders is the step on the side plate side at the breech.  On British guns this is rarely an abrupt step.  It is almost always rounded and smoothed flowing downward toward the front either as a continuous line or with a slight step mirroring the lock side.  On this gun, I am shaping it with a slight step because I've done so many with the continuous line.

 





Note that the concave surface above the nose and along the barrel is broad and almost flat and then transitions to a tight cove around the nose.  I shape that with a very shallow sweep and a 3/4" diameter round scraper.  You can see how the tang of the standing breech is perched rather than imbedded in a fatter rounded surface.  The humped breech provides a very elegant profile.   Another area that causes trouble for some is the underside of the lock area.  I've seen countless guns on which the bottoms were too flat.  I think folks get nervous about curving it because they think they need a flat surface for the trigger guard. It should be nicely rounded with a smooth transition joining with the more rounded forestock and the transition from convex shape to the concave shape of the throat joining the wrist.

 





This is all done with rasps, a half round file, and a large rat tailed file. It will eventually be smoothed with scrapers and the flats around the lock will be very thin except right at the nose.

dave

[flatsguide]

Very nice Dave, always enjoy seeing your work.
Cheers Richard

[Bob Gerard]

Oh I like that slight step on the lock plate side. I’ve never noticed this on other guns before. Very nice.

[Pukka Bundook]

Bonny work, Dave.

The slightly thicker wrist will look slim when stained down!

Some few Griffins are near flat under the lock, but rounded gives the slimest looks I think.

I always think of these British originals being like a snakes head through the lock area,.....wider than they are deep!

Grand work as always !!

[smart dog]

HI,
Richard that is a grand description.  A snake's head!  Well, Maria is back from school and the shop is humming with activity.  We have 4 different guns actively being made.  The photo shows my rifled fowler and Maria working on a British officer's fusil.  We have a lot of work to do this summer.

dave

[Steeltrap]

Really nice work on the side plate. The brass showing consistently around the screw heads is perfect. That’s a real plus of making your own vs buying a cast one.

[Curtis]

That's really starting to look nice, Dave.  I enjoy seeing your work in progress, how you shape things, etc.  Thanks for sharing.


Curtis

[Dphariss]

Nice. I like it a lot.
If we look to DeWitt Bailey’s British “Military Flintlock Rifles” We find rifles that are, within the context of the hand made firearm, virtually identical to this project. The carbine bore (.62) rifles on page 19-20, other than being the typical breechloader of the time in England, we see that the British fowler and rifle were not much, if at all, different in stock design. British had stock design pretty well finalized by at least 1720-30. In the US with our lack of a guild system and especially after the Revolution, to a greater or lesser extend “ran off the rails” in creating stocks with good recoil characteristics. But then most American rifles were significantly smaller in the bore than those in England,  most were 40 to 32 to the pound. But thats another discussion. This will make a great hunting rifle and IMO it’s historically correct. AND the British did use Maple from America. Hardwoods were one of our export items in the Colonial period and later. W Greener in “The Gun” 1835, explains staining maple with Ferric Nitrate.

[Dphariss]

However, your shop is FAR too clean and orderly. Mine looks like a tornado struck, even after being “straightened up”. You are giving me an inferiority complex. My excuses would take up too much space.   

[Dave B]

I am willing to bet that Smart Dog is on his best behavior with Maria around and puts his tools away properly and sweeps up having made a mess. Women folk have a way of making us tow the line with out saying a thing. God Bless em... every one!

[smart dog]

Hi,
Almost done and will post soon.  Maria acquired some armor and I think we will put it to use.

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dave

[Steeltrap]

Need pics of that on a nice 95 degree day in the sun with very high humidity!!!

[smart dog]

Hi,
It has been a while.  The rifle is almost done and I am working on the engraving.  We just have so many competing jobs going on right now.  Flatsguide posted a thread asking about historic English engraving.  I am closely copying original English work on a mid quality gun, not one for royalty or a very wealthy patron. The designs shown below are historically accurate and represent the quality of work at the time.  I do not like modern reproductions that have modern banknote quality engraving on them completely divorced from historical accuracy.  I fit my engraving to the time, object, and place so they look right.  Here is typical English engraving on a good quality export gun during the 1750s-1770s.  Here is an original side plate:
 


Here are my modern examples.



Here is the trigger guard.  The English rose has just 26 lines excluding the shading, which does not show up very well in the photos.






These are accurate designs for good quality English fowlers made for export or domestic sale.

dave

[Bob Gerard]

Looks like you nailed it with that side plate- almost an exact copy !

[Daryl]

You will/should be happy with a more robust design, David.
Taylor did just that with my Englush-styled .69 as he figured it would receive rough treatment in.moose camp.
I'm very thankful for his slightly enlarged design  over the Purdy gun he made for my buddy Keith.

[smart dog]

Hi,
Done.  It took a while for the finish to cure given the high humidity but it is well baked now.  It has a Rice 54 cal, 42" octagon to round rifled barrel.  The stock is red maple and the lock is Chambers colonial Virginia.  The butt plate is a modified "Dubbs" long rifle plate and the trigger guard is by Chambers but modified to include the border ribs on the bow.  The wrist plate was carved in wax and then cast in brass by me.  It was then chiseled, polished and engraved.  It has a humped standing breech with barrel keys.  The gun closely follows the lines of an original in my possession and the engraving in mostly copied from that gun.  It could be like a good quality fowler style gun imported to the colonies, or maybe a rifle stocked in America from English parts, or simply pure fantasy.  The stock is a bit more robust than the original because the gun will be used to hunt deer, elk, and moose.  It came out OK.  I had trouble with the wood because it tore out very easily where there is a lot of curl.  The difference between soft and hard spots was very great.

   
























dave

[B.Habermehl]

Looks awesome! Love it. BJH

[smylee grouch]

Quality work throughout. 👍

[smallpatch]

Beautiful gun David!
You need to get Maria some aluminum armor. Give the girl a break.

[Bob Gerard]

Wonderful 😘
I wish the owner lots of enjoyment and good hunting with that special piece.

[rich pierce]

You just keep getting better with age!