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Offline Dphariss

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2008, 07:14:29 AM »
Very nice indeed.

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2008, 07:31:15 AM »
Jim,  I think Eister was a great choice. Few guys work in this style. I like everything about the rifle. Good pictures too. I think you should make a close copy of an Eister in the near future. You've got the flow of the carving down (a lot like F. Sell in this regard). Put in all the bold details like bits of open crosshatching. I think there was a lot of congress between Eister and Sell. Not the details but the feel of the carving.

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2008, 07:55:14 AM »
Jim,

Thank you so much for sharing the pictures with those of us who didn't have the opportunity to see it in person at Lexington.  The Lancaster & York schools are my favorites.  The entire treatment of the rifle is beautifully subtle.  Nothing jumps out and grabs you, but everything is individual perfection.  I find all aspects of this rifle awe inspiring.

I have been considering a Chambers York as my next build.  Your rifle both humbles and wets the appetite.
Kunk

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2008, 03:12:32 PM »
  I saw it at the show but I don't think I saw it as well as the pics show it. Not just one or two areas but overall outstanding work.

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2008, 03:27:03 PM »
Hey, I'm with these guys! All of the above and let me add....excellent!
Tom C.

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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2008, 03:44:55 PM »
Chambers, you lucky rascal.  I looked at this gun quite a bit also, I usually put it back down, mumbling to myself.  I still
think Kibler is Bivins re-born, his stuff really impresses me.  Another thing, did anyone notice the wood.....it doesn't take
super wood to make a super gun.  We were kidding Jim about having the "Kibler Elves" helping him.  It's really great to
see guys like Jim and Ian coming along here, both doing great guns but in a different vein.......Don

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2008, 05:03:31 PM »
Thank you again guys, but I think you are being too kind.  I'm glad you like it though.  You know Bill, I think I am going to build another.  I like your suggestions.  I had been planning on a little more complex carving with a little more height and overlapping elements.  I've been a little afraid of all the cross-hatchng, but might have to consider it.  Have some other ideas as well. 

One other thing that I didn't mention that some of you might find interesting is the lock.  It started out life as a Siler and I replaced the cock, frizzen and frizzen spring as well as reshaped the pan.  The castings came from Jack Brooks.  It takes quite a bit of time and effort getting these to work, including some welding, but I was pretty happy with it.  Shot it the other day and it seemed very fast.  Something a little different I guess.

Thanks again,
Jim

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2008, 06:03:18 PM »
Jim, I have a couple questions if you don't mind. I see that in the engraveing, you chose to engrave it with the edge of the patch box as the scroll element rather than cutting the entire scroll inside the box (if that makes sence). Is this how Eister did his or was this personal preference. The other question is regarding the stock treatment. What did you colour the wood with and what materials/methods did you use to achieve the highlighted (blackened) incise carving and the 'shadow' effect around the raised carving?.

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2008, 06:21:22 PM »
Jim,

Like the others have said in many ways, this is another wonderful Kibler piece.  Thank you for the photos.

May I ask what castings you used for the buttplate and triggerguard?

Larry Luck

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2008, 07:53:11 PM »
Cody,

The stock was stained with iron nitrate.  A 20% solution of concentrated nitric with about as much iron as it wanted to disolve.  I let this solution sit to evaporate and reduce in volume to about half or one third of its original volume.  The solution is quite a bit thicker after this.  Since it's thicker it doesn't penetrate the stock a deeply and the color ends up being lighter.  Believe it or not, it also sort of seals off the grain to some degree as well.  One thing to keep in mind though, is that on a highly figured piece of wood, it doesn't accentuate the curl as much as a standard solution since it doesn't penetrate as well.  It was finished largely with Chamber's oil although I've used a little Tried and True Oil Varnish as well.  As far as the darkening of receses etc. goes.  I think I'm still in kindergarten when it comes to this but I'll explain what I did.  I used standard comercial glaze after sealing the stock.  This created a little of the effect, but not a tremendous amount since the wood was pretty dense and pretty much sealed off.  In my experience the glaze works best when it has something to bite into.  I also used Transtint dye concentrate to darken areas, but it seems as though I must have removed much of this with subsequent finishing.  This sort of thing is always an experiment for me.  Looking at some of the work shown at the CLA reminded me of how good some are at this sort of thing.

The border along the box lid is basically what Eister typically did, but to be honest, my execution was not up to the level of Eister.  His wavy line was much finer and more even.  Take a look at some of the published examples.  I'll get it better next time.  In talking to Mark Silver a while back, he mentioned how the wavy line helps in disguising any gaps or inconsistencies in the lid to sideplate fit.  Even if it was fit well at the start, shrinkage can cause slight gaps and such.  Made a lot of sense to me.  One other interesting thing about the border is that in talking to Jack Brooks, he indicated that he thinks Eister cut the scallops on the unsuported edge of the box lid with a chisel.  Cutting these with a groove to ride in is doable, but I can't imagine cutting them without this support.

Larry, the hardware is investment cast from my patterns and molds.  I made masters from polyurethane foam modeling board and then created wax molds from these.  The modeling board is great stuff to work with.  I've got a fair sized sheet of it, so if anyone needs some for creating masters, let me know.

Ok, got to go for now.

Thanks,
Jim

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2008, 08:42:06 PM »
Jim--
I don't have to tell you what I think of your work. It is up there with the best.
Great job.

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2008, 10:59:47 PM »
The most flawless rifle in the whole dang show !! It's time for me to sharpen my chisels or just quit !!  ;D

About the show ..... I want to thank one & all who set-up , new & old stuff ..... and the folks who support us gunmakers !!

Sincerely ....... Allen

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2008, 12:36:06 AM »
Can't help myself, My 2nd comment. I can't get over how good that looks. It just grabs ya. Beautiful work, I mean excellent work. @!*% it looks great!!!  ...Geo.

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Re: latest effort
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2008, 12:44:34 AM »
Beautiful work in every way Jim.  To me your carving is almost a little understated, which makes it even more  attractive.
Bob