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Offline bptactical

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Ramrod sources
« on: February 11, 2025, 05:34:25 AM »
Good evening- looking for GOOD hickory ramrod sources- kinda hard to find splits in Colorado so who has good wood?
Thank you in advance
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Offline rich pierce

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2025, 05:40:57 AM »
I got some decent ones from Track of the Wolf. But one cannot expect perfect grain.
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Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2025, 06:00:05 AM »
 :-\ You might try Dunlap Woodcrafts.

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2025, 12:56:41 AM »
Muzzleloader builders supply always has a good supply
only flintlocks remain interesting..

Offline PEARL DRUMS

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2025, 01:23:32 AM »
I just got a batch from MBS and all of them are good. I had to hand straighten a few. Very happy with the grain quality.

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2025, 02:52:25 AM »
If you live where pignut hickory grows, look for trees about 6 to 8 inches across. Cut the trunk to length leaving some wiggle room and split it into pieces that can be draw knifed down to rough size
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Offline David R. Pennington

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2025, 03:30:53 AM »
Dunlap always had a good stock when I saw them at the shows. I always bought 1/2” ones and tapered them. I have split out a few and made them from scratch too. I made a tool sort of like a big pencil sharpener to turn them.
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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2025, 03:49:52 AM »
Never got a bad one from Kibler. 

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2025, 05:13:00 AM »
Kiblers, rods are excellent if one will work for your project.

Offline Jim Kibler

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2025, 02:36:38 AM »
Ramrods are a problem.  We buy them cheap enough, but end up throwing out over half of what we buy.  I'm looking at a machine to make them, but it's not cheap and kind of hard to justify.   We'll see...

Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2025, 04:56:34 PM »
My friend was in the professional arrow business, he bought shafts at first but his volume was so huge that he bought a commercial arrow shaft machine, he said it cost him 50K. He had a reputation for making some of the best arrows in the country, no matter how many he made he was always back ordered, his machine paid for itself in a short period of time.

He tried to run ramrods but could only get sawmill cut hickory stock that had grain that went every which way. He gave me 45 rejects that had a lot of run-out, about half were only good for dowels but I could always get a good runout free TC and sometimes a long rifle ramrod out of some of them. I gave the bulk of these seconds to my B/P friends who weren't as picky as I am.

I made a router shaft machine that would turn out perfect shafts but cutting the blanks to feed the machine was labor intensive. I couldn't get good stock very often but the big problem was unlike ramrods that just have to be a uniform size, arrow shafts have to be matched in spine (flexibility) and weight. I may get 30# spine shafts all the way up to 80# spine out of the same board. I might have to run 50 shafts to get a dozen that matched in spine and weight. I was only making them for myself so I decided I was better off buying what I needed.
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Offline rich pierce

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2025, 05:09:32 PM »
On advice here I got a Veritas dowel shaper from Lee Valley. It looks like a giant pencil sharpener. It’s quick but the surface needs sanding of course.
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Offline Jim Kibler

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2025, 05:18:14 PM »
It's interesting, equipment can range from a few hundred bucks to maybe 70k to make dowels or ramrods.  Quality and production capability usually scale with price.  On the lowest end are tools like Rich mentioned.  The next step up are automatic machines with spinning hollow cutters that form the round shaft.  These might be in the range of 10-15k new.  You insert a square billet in and out comes a rod.  On the high end are molders with a top and bottom cutting head that can mill out many rods simultaneously from a board.  This is the priciest option.

I'm lucky to have sawmill contacts that can provide good quality straight grained hickory.  Not sure if we're going to move in this direction, but we'll see...

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2025, 05:31:39 PM »
Perl drums mentioned hand straightening ram rods. how is that done? I am working on a woods runner and the ram has quite a bow to it. Thanks for any advice.

Offline rich pierce

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2025, 05:43:15 PM »
Some bow to a rod is a benefit in that it keeps the ramrod from sliding out. I don’t like them tight because I’ve gotten ramrods stuck before in the stick or thimbles when everything is wet.

I straighten ramrods like arrow shafts or bow staves. Careful application of heat. Lots of YouTube videos on straightening arrow shafts. I use a heat gun, always moving, always rotating, working on heating 6-8” at a time. When it’s slightly pliable, bend and hold it clamp till cool. A fire works too. If you turn it a darker color while heating you’ve gone too far with the heat. It’s a narrow window.
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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2025, 06:09:13 PM »
I like to hand pick from suppliers ( Knob Mtn) at the gun maker fairs/shows and buy several at a time ,to look at the runout of grain.
 a slight bend is not a deal breaker but several bad runout grain notes a rod that may break  and run through your hand  :'(

straight grain or with run out near one end(the cut off) gets my buy

I cut with an arrow saw and taper by chucking in a drill and holding sandpaper to the taper end (80,100.220) running the drill , takes some time
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Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2025, 07:07:16 PM »
If you make your own it can be done several ways. I use one of Acers ( Tom Curran ) little tools/ scrapers and it works amazingly fast, is easy to use and set up.




Offline Copper Dave

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2025, 07:31:19 PM »
The “Tom Curran” tool works really well. Trey Scott sells this tool on his website tssteelworks.com

Offline PeteStevens

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2025, 09:51:28 PM »
Works like a charm. Used it on both of my Kibler ramrods.

Offline flembo

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2025, 12:57:06 AM »
Thanks Rich I guess I will try it as is, if I don't like it I will try heating it as you say.

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2025, 01:39:54 AM »
Flembo,
I second what Rich said about not wanting it to fit too tightly, and about having a bit of bow in a rod. Wallace Gusler also mentioned that a few months ago on a post on here. But I wanted to add that it doesn't take much at all. If you lay the rod on a flat surface and roll it, you can kind of measure how much it rises in the middle. I have one that only has a bow of 1/8" over 36" and it still holds in place just fine. Even if I hold the rifle muzzle down and shake it the rod doesn't fall out. The rod in one antique I own is similar. If fits reasonably loosely, and it only has a bow of about 3/16" over 47", and it holds in place just fine, even if the rifle is held muzzle down and shaken.
Also note that rods will usually warp just a little over time.
Based on that type of experience, when making rods, I go ahead and straighten them, and fit them so that slide in and out without being tight. Then I expect them to warp just a little over time. The rods in the antiques I own all have mild warping. This is so even on one that has scorch marks from where it was once straightened. Of course, it could be argued that this was because these rods weren't properly sealed. But to that I can only reply that back in the day no rods were "properly" sealed. So I really think the plan back in the day was to have them fit loosely enough that binding wasn't a concern and mild warping wasn't an issue, and in fact mild warping provided some springiness to hold them in place. If they warped badly, they could be straightened again.
The rods I am describing are rifle length, in hickory.
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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2025, 01:46:41 AM »
The Osage rod in my .69 moves forward out of the thimbles about an inch with just the squib load. It is VERY straight.
It won't fall out on it's own, but moves out to where I have to put it back before loading again.
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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2025, 01:54:42 AM »
I hang my rods, when not in the gun on nails about 30" (76cm)apart and let them sag.

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2025, 02:11:49 AM »

About how much bow do they have in them, Kevin?

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Re: Ramrod sources
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2025, 10:30:02 AM »
Perl drums mentioned hand straightening ram rods. how is that done? I am working on a woods runner and the ram has quite a bow to it. Thanks for any advice.

The same way you can straighten any natural arrow material. I use no heat on any of them. You spy down the rod while slowly spinning it. Find the bend and place it in the heel of your hand. Flex it the opposite direction with your other hand. You have to over bend a fair amount. If it breaks its because it was destined to and not because you did something wrong. It's hard to explain. I'm sure youtube has a video or two out there if you search hand straightening wooden arrow shafts.