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Offline NDduckhunter

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Original powder measurer questions
« on: March 19, 2025, 05:17:39 PM »
In the 1700’s, how common were powder measurers? What were they made of? I’d love to see some pictures but am struggling to find any originals on the net, it seems there are 1000 powder horns to every measurer reported to be original, seems really odd that more didn’t survive. Maybe folks in future generations didn’t know what they were and tossed them?

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2025, 06:59:57 PM »
Many of them were made from wood, antler and bone and weren't well taken care of.

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2025, 08:30:05 PM »
Lots of pictures of originals in the 5 book series "Accoutrements" by Johnson.  Wormey

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2025, 10:39:00 PM »
I’ll have to find that book, thanks!

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2025, 02:58:27 PM »
I’ve not seen one from the 1700’s of antler. That would be special.
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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2025, 06:09:58 PM »
Tinned iron , cane, bone, horn or wood, antler, ivory, sewing thimble, bowl from a broken clay pipe....

Here is a quote of using deer antler found by one of the great scavengers for 18th century material culture references..... Spence.

_General George Hanger to all Sportsmen, Farmers, and Gamekeepers_ in 1814, but describing his experiences in the colonies during the AWI, Gen. George Hanger had this to say about powder measures:

"I will next tell you how they judge what quantity of powder is necessary for their rifles, on active service: for shooting deer, &c. in peaceable times, they never put in more powder than is contained in a woman’s thimble. They take the horn of a deer, make several trials with a ball, always on the powder, and when, by each time increasing the quantity of powder, they find the rifle rather throws back, that is to say, has a recoiling motion, they draw off a small quantity of the powder, cut the horn off, and use it for the actual service before an enemy."

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2025, 08:59:53 PM »
Great reference
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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2025, 02:53:13 PM »
Thats interesting that he calls an antler a horn!....LK
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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2025, 09:22:40 PM »
Horns is what everybody around here calls them. I didn't start calling them antlers until after 2000 when I started getting on gun forums.

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2025, 04:53:01 PM »
great quote by Hanger, thanks for sharing!!!!


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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2025, 04:16:26 AM »
Great pictures! Thanks for those.

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2025, 04:21:10 AM »
I'm pretty sure Jim Dresslar had an antler measure that was dated 1790 something.

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2025, 04:30:45 AM »
I made a simple one out of a deer shed I found today. It looks similar to the last measurer posted. I will probably make one that is similar to the first two antler measures posted too, I like the contour they have for pouring the powder.

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2025, 11:42:18 AM »
Here are a whole series of European ones and ones I bought an antique jaeger rifle and in the patch box there was one made of iron.

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2025, 05:14:50 PM »
Great tin/brass measures! Thanks for sharing.  Here is one from DeWitt Bailey's British Rifles book. Tin measures are being sold in Philadelphia in the 1750s. 8)




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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2025, 09:44:36 PM »
Track used to sell powder measures similar to some of those. I have one, somewhere, cut to throw 3 drams.(82gr. squib load)
2 throws, full moose load.
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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2025, 11:00:49 PM »
Very nice collection! I bought a very nice jaeger rifle years ago that had a stuck patch box. Once I got it free it had the original vent pick, patches and several oxidized round balls in there.

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2025, 07:02:54 PM »
This is a muzzleloading site.  However, it’s easy to see/imagine where the idea for the brass self contained black powder rimmed cartridge might have came from.   Hypothetical discussion - “What if we put a bullet in the front of a brass powder measure, and a percussion type cap in the base?  We would have a self contained ‘round’ that could be loaded load from the breech”.

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Re: Original powder measurer questions
« Reply #18 on: Today at 02:17:10 AM »
I can see your point, however, I figured the copper, then brass ctg. was a progression from the paper ctg. and then pin fires, to rim fire, then CF ctg.
Daryl

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